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Name your price. At some level I'm going to say it's too high. Then what? Can I leave or will you just kill me and take it? I'm not "rich" now but I sure take it up the *** at tax time and still get threats from people like you guys.



Nice false dichotomy. I don't ignore the sick. You do. You're trying to grab my wallet while I'm trying to keep my family healthy. Really. If someone else is such a ****** person that they're family won't even take responsibility for them, no amount of money will solve your problem. We've been trying for all my life and well back several generations. So yes, **** em. The grievance hustlers have been raising taxes for decades with this silly argument with no results.



Non homogeneous examples please.



It turns pretty quick when there's resistance. History proves that. Cambodia got to the point they were killing "smart" people. WIN. It's all about other peoples money, when it runs out, blood flows.

I'm reasonably well off now...I pay my taxes...I don't ****ing like it but as long as they get used wisely I understand why I need to pay them. I'd be happier if my taxes went to enrich the less fortunate among us than to enrich the already rich though. Here I've seen plenty of sick people who don't have anyone to look after them and plenty of people who have just been plain unlucky despite working their ***** off. I don't think the solution is to just ignore them do you? No one is saying they are going to grab your wallet...simply that as a citizen in a society the more fortunate among us have a responsibility to help with the less fortunate, which might include a sick family member. Frankly, I thought this was a common sense point of view when I was living in Europe, only when I moved over here did I see that it wasn't and I understood then what moral bankruptcy really was.

I underlined and boldened the society bit.....not sure why.
 
Do any of these countries have a summer season of any notable length?

Snow, mountains, lakes. Some good Adventure riding roads but, not sure about SS?

Guess they find joy and happiness in other ways?

Wonder how the keep the hordes of immigrants from flooding in to embrace to good life?

You'd be surprised how many people in Norway have motorcycles despite the high tax and shorter summer.

Also worth pointing out that almost the entire country is on summer shut down for 4 weeks in July.


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Imagining that the government is going to use your money to help people is just fantasy. That's why people here get ****** about taxes. Because they know it's 97.652% waste and therefore just theft. It helps no one but politicians and their friends. End their careers is all I can say, to get back on topic. NEVER VOTE FOR INCUMBENTS OR ANYONE THAT HAS BEEN ELECTED BEFORE TO ANYTHING. THEY are the drag on on society

I'm reasonably well off now...I pay my taxes...I don't ****ing like it but as long as they get used wisely I understand why I need to pay them. I'd be happier if my taxes went to enrich the less fortunate among us than to enrich the already rich though. Here I've seen plenty of sick people who don't have anyone to look after them and plenty of people who have just been plain unlucky despite working their ***** off. I don't think the solution is to just ignore them do you? No one is saying they are going to grab your wallet...simply that as a citizen in a society the more fortunate among us have a responsibility to help with the less fortunate, which might include a sick family member. Frankly, I thought this was a common sense point of view when I was living in Europe, only when I moved over here did I see that it wasn't and I understood then what moral bankruptcy really was.

I underlined and boldened the society bit.....not sure why.
 
I keep hearing Norway is this utopia society but don't get posted facts. I believe they only do well because they have oil & gas and also trusted politicians who don't F the people.

Alberta & Wyoming in the US does well too, because they have an abundance of natural resources
 
It's also 86% Norwegian. It's basically a tribe. The king is from the same tribe as the people he rules. Doesn't meet diversity targets. Disqualified.

I keep hearing Norway is this utopia society but don't get posted facts. I believe they only do well because they have oil & gas and also trusted politicians who don't F the people.

Alberta & Wyoming in the US does well too, because they have an abundance of natural resources
 
I keep hearing Norway is this utopia society but don't get posted facts. I believe they only do well because they have oil & gas and also trusted politicians who don't F the people.

Alberta & Wyoming in the US does well too, because they have an abundance of natural resources

We have oil and gas too. And potash, and timber, and much more.

"Politicians who don't F the people" is the biggest difference.

Norway has invested proceeds from oil taxation into a national wealth fund which equates to over $1 Million CAD per person.

OOOOOOHHHHH socialism is baaaaddddd!


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I think you are confusing causation and association.
Socialist policy didn't cause Norway to be that way.
Being Norwegian caused socialism. It's an "in-group" cultural phenomenon. It's why I keep hounding you for examples socialist awesomeness in non-homogeneous societies. It's why family units are important as a defense against the government here. It's why the Euro will fail.

We have oil and gas too. And potash, and timber, and much more.

"Politicians who don't F the people" is the biggest difference.

Norway has invested proceeds from oil taxation into a national wealth fund which equates to over $1 Million CAD per person.

OOOOOOHHHHH socialism is baaaaddddd!


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I think you are confusing causation and association.
Socialist policy didn't cause Norway to be that way.
Being Norwegian caused socialism. It's an "in-group" cultural phenomenon. It's why I keep hounding you for examples socialist awesomeness in non-homogeneous societies. It's why family units are important as a defense against the government here. It's why the Euro will fail.

For someone who equates socialism to corporate fascism, I'm afraid your political views don't have much credibility.
 
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But I didn't. Can I call you a liar if you insist I did?
You still haven't named your price for me to vote for your team. My riding is currently not NDP so it's entirely feasible. It's PC so I'm voting for anyone but PC that enriches me the most. So far the NDP and Libtards have only offered to reduce my standard of living.

I just did: you equate socialism to corporate fascism. Ta-da.
 
I think you are confusing causation and association.
Socialist policy didn't cause Norway to be that way.
Being Norwegian caused socialism. It's an "in-group" cultural phenomenon. It's why I keep hounding you for examples socialist awesomeness in non-homogeneous societies. It's why family units are important as a defense against the government here. It's why the Euro will fail.

I think I agree with you.....

I also believe those ideas will never work here in America Jr.


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But I didn't. Can I call you a liar if you insist I did?

Read your post 113. Then start back pedaling and splitting semantic hairs.
 
I think I gave you logic lessons before. It happens more often with Liberal party supporters but happens often with NDP supporters as well. Here we go again. I've got a few minutes. No rhetoric, no semantics. No rewording. Just PURE LOGIC!!!! It will be broken down into it's most absolute facts! Just for you!!!!

Read your post 113. Then start back pedaling and splitting semantic hairs.

Here's the copy/paste of 113:

Calling out the straw man argument first. What you described as capitalism is not actually capitalism. It's corporate fascism and it's much more like socialism than capitalism is.
Also, what countries that are not culturally homogeneous have successfully implemented socialism? And I won't count Argentina as a success.

Anyway, back on topic: I'M VOTING NONE OF THE ABOVE!
OR (you can buy my vote by promising to have none of the above on the ballot next election).


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Originally Posted by jc100
Good tag line....but not really. Capitalism works great....for a very few people at the top and hardly any at the bottom, a socialist leaning society works best for the majority. Like I say, the best countries in the world (according to most rankings)have socialist leaning policies. Trickle down economics works like this: some very wealthy person tells people that it works and that you too can be like him with just some hard work.....very poor people believe him but miraculously mostly stay poor despite the hard work provided at minimum wage (set mostly by more very wealthy people)....very wealthy person gets more wealthy...ad infinitum.

Do you get slackers that abuse social welfare systems? Yes. Do you think they cost you more than the uber wealthy and uber rich corporations exploiting tax loopholes and shuffling cash to offshore accounts. Think again.

We are not talking Marxist communist structures here by the way, just a more socialist leaning tendency. The more rabid crowd think that socialist tendencies = Che Guevara prancing down the street with Chairman Mao behind him confiscating property. That's also what the uber rich would like you to think a socialist leaning state would look like.

Before you go all bonkers too...most of you aren't even in this category, you're not the super wealthy this really should apply to and you probably will never be, despite how hard you



/// so to continue.
I'll just define some variables:
A = what jc100 describes as capitalism. It's actually what I call corporate fascism. Could be more generally called corporatism or some variant.
B = capitalism.
C = Socialism.

So my exact statement is
A!=B. A is A. |A-C|<|A-B|.

You are stating that I claimed B=C.
There's only 1 possible cases where that is possible. If B = C then it's possible. However I believe this to lie outside the feasible set. The proof that B!=C is left to the reader.
I will note that I did not state |A-C|<=|A-B|.
 
I think I gave you logic lessons before. It happens more often with Liberal party supporters but happens often with NDP supporters as well. Here we go again. I've got a few minutes. No rhetoric, no semantics. No rewording. Just PURE LOGIC!!!! It will be broken down into it's most absolute facts! Just for you!!!!



Here's the copy/paste of 113:

Calling out the straw man argument first. What you described as capitalism is not actually capitalism. It's corporate fascism and it's much more like socialism than capitalism is.
Also, what countries that are not culturally homogeneous have successfully implemented socialism? And I won't count Argentina as a success.

Anyway, back on topic: I'M VOTING NONE OF THE ABOVE!
OR (you can buy my vote by promising to have none of the above on the ballot next election).


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Originally Posted by jc100
Good tag line....but not really. Capitalism works great....for a very few people at the top and hardly any at the bottom, a socialist leaning society works best for the majority. Like I say, the best countries in the world (according to most rankings)have socialist leaning policies. Trickle down economics works like this: some very wealthy person tells people that it works and that you too can be like him with just some hard work.....very poor people believe him but miraculously mostly stay poor despite the hard work provided at minimum wage (set mostly by more very wealthy people)....very wealthy person gets more wealthy...ad infinitum.

Do you get slackers that abuse social welfare systems? Yes. Do you think they cost you more than the uber wealthy and uber rich corporations exploiting tax loopholes and shuffling cash to offshore accounts. Think again.

We are not talking Marxist communist structures here by the way, just a more socialist leaning tendency. The more rabid crowd think that socialist tendencies = Che Guevara prancing down the street with Chairman Mao behind him confiscating property. That's also what the uber rich would like you to think a socialist leaning state would look like.

Before you go all bonkers too...most of you aren't even in this category, you're not the super wealthy this really should apply to and you probably will never be, despite how hard you



/// so to continue.
I'll just define some variables:
A = what jc100 describes as capitalism. It's actually what I call corporate fascism. Could be more generally called corporatism or some variant.
B = capitalism.
C = Socialism.

So my exact statement is
A!=B. A is A. |A-C|<|A-B|.

You are stating that I claimed B=C.
There's only 1 possible cases where that is possible. If B = C then it's possible. However I believe this to lie outside the feasible set. The proof that B!=C is left to the reader.
I will note that I did not state |A-C|<=|A-B|.

Ha, ha. The dance begins. Thank you.
 
I'll never get why when there is a political discussion , a Canadian election discussion, the regular sources trot out Scandinavia. Small countries so unlike Canada that we will never be them. Not in any of our lifetimes.
Its like a gun discussion, in the US they do X and Y....... and in Scandinavia they do X and Y..... . Alarmingly I do live in the US part time and work there, their politics may never be ours either.
Bolster your rebuttals with something that may actually be pertinent and matter, not why the USS Maine blew up in Havana harbor.
 
I'll never get why when there is a political discussion , a Canadian election discussion, the regular sources trot out Scandinavia. Small countries so unlike Canada that we will never be them. Not in any of our lifetimes.
Its like a gun discussion, in the US they do X and Y....... and in Scandinavia they do X and Y..... . Alarmingly I do live in the US part time and work there, their politics may never be ours either.
Bolster your rebuttals with something that may actually be pertinent and matter, not why the USS Maine blew up in Havana harbor.

It's really not too much of a stretch to equate one resource rich country with another unless it conveniently doesn't make your argument. The Scandinavian countries are trotted out to show what can be done with good stewardship of those resources, forward thinking regarding the profits, and a socialist agenda that rewards the entire populace. Then there's Canada.
 
We have oil and gas too.
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Yeah they're in Alberta. They're doing pretty good & happy. Guess what majority of them are Conservatives. Same thing as Wyoming.

Norway doesn't prove anything about socialism
 
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