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You presume I feel like I need someone to rule over me.

nakkers said:
I know my post was a bit long but, I did mention realistic.

Do you think you'll find anyone that is willing to represent our country under such conditions?

Who would want to serve their country under those conditions? Honestly.


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eljay said:
You presume I feel like I need someone to rule over me.
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Not really. The country had a population of various view points. You're entitled to yours. That's what makes this country pretty good for the most part.

In saying that, I just don't think your idea is plausible. Or embraced by a significant portion of the population.




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I know it well

nakkers said:
Not really. The country had a population of various view points. You're entitled to yours. That's what makes this country pretty good for the most part.

In saying that, I just don't think your idea is plausible. Or embraced by a significant portion of the population.




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Brian P said:
Please don't take excerpts out of context and then exaggerate them like the politicians do.
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Those excerpts were the only rationale you presented to support your position. They are fundamental to everything else that you said. They ARE the context.

Without those excerpts, your posts are merely opinion without any rationale.

With them, they are still opinions though they're at least supported by a rationale, just one which I claim is myopic.
 
eljay said:
I'm more amused by her tantrum over not getting help getting any play. Wasn't the whole point of the ORPP because the feds wouldn't expand CPP?
This is why I'm surprised anyone votes Liberal. They actually are little children.

Libtards: hey feds, expand CPP
Harper: NO!
Libtards: fine we're making our own and calling it ORPP.
...
Libtards: hey feds, can you help us set up ORPP?
Harper: NO!
Libtards: You made me cry!!! WAAAAAAAAAAH!

Translation:
Little boy: hey mom, give me more cake
Mom: NO!
Little boy: fine, I'm making my own cake.
...
Little boy: hey mom, help me make my cake
Mom: NO!
Little boy: WAAAAAH!!!
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Actually the righteous and mighty Harper is the one spoiling the cake mix, telling neighbours that the stoopid Libtards are going to make a mess of the cake, and generally justifying his greatness as a parent for trying to stop the cake from ever happening.

Damn Libtard crybabies.
 
nakkers said:
So who thinks this ORPP is a good thing?

Would you prefer to invest in your own retirement instead of being forced to pay into something with questionable returns?

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I support it. AND I'd prefer to invest in my own retirement. Can you imagine?

Let me ask you, would you prefer to give people and incentive to save for their retirement, OR let them fall into poverty at the most fragile period of their lives and have to pay 10x more to support them, OR ignore their suffering and let them waste away and die? Considering the reality is that people aren't saving enough for retirement, those are the only 3 options I can see.
 
fastar1 said:
I support it. AND I'd prefer to invest in my own retirement. Can you imagine?

Let me ask you, would you prefer to give people and incentive to save for their retirement, OR let them fall into poverty at the most fragile period of their lives and have to pay 10x more to support them, OR ignore their suffering and let them waste away and die? Considering the reality is that people aren't saving enough for retirement, those are the only 3 options I can see.
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I already save for my pension. I'd rather the provincial government make personal finance a mandatory curriculum in high school along with math and history.

Teach folks how to pay bills, balance their checking account, save for a raining day and save for retirement. Know how to file taxes and what are the best approaches to take. Learn how to use a credit card and how to avoid the traps.



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inreb said:
OK, if a gun registry takes 2 billion dollars to administrate (nice work if you can get it) how much would it take to administrate a pension plan like this? To the unwashed this whole thing is a great make work program. I trust fully refurbished offices will be in the higher rent districts. Of course there will be finders fee to find these high rent commercial offices and a head hunters fee to find the finder. If I knew more I'd say more.
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FYI, the $2 billion figure is a Conservative lie, from a Public Safety spokesperson in 2010:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...hat-tories-claim-report-shows/article1461884/

The figure commonly circulated in the media was $1 billion, and even that was a lie. According to the Auditor General, that was the entire cost of Canadian Firearms program for a decade:
http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/internet/English/parl_oag_200605_04_e_14961.html#ch4hd3b

Despite that lie regarding costs, the majority of Canadians still supported the registry:
http://www.harrisdecima.ca/sites/default/files/releases/2010/09/21/hd-2010-09-21-en927.pdf

The exact cost of establishing the long-gun registry isn't known, except that we know it is far less than a billion dollars. The annual operating cost of the long-gun registry was up to $4 million per year (as per first link).

I just figured you'd like to know as you wouldn't like to be spreading misinformation.
 
nakkers said:
I already save for my pension. I'd rather the provincial government make personal finance a mandatory curriculum in high school along with math and history.

Teach folks how to pay bills, balance their checking account, save for a raining day and save for retirement. Know how to file taxes and what are the best approaches to take. Learn how to use a credit card and how to avoid the traps.

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I guess there is a fourth option after all.

So you're saying mandatory training for all Ontarians, then wait to see if retirement savings start to accumulate enough to ward off most concerns about a decrepit and impoverished population needing social support in the coming decades?
 
fastar1 said:
FYI, the $2 billion figure is a Conservative lie, from a Public Safety spokesperson in 2010:

I just figured you'd like to know as you wouldn't like to be spreading misinformation.
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I said "IF" and postulated from there. A little reading acuity would serve you well champ:D
 
fastar1 said:
You notice I didn't accuse you of anything with all your reading acuity, right?
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Ya, I don't even know why you quoted me. Nothing in your response is related to anything I wrote.
 
fastar1 said:
FYI, the $2 billion figure is a Conservative lie, from a Public Safety spokesperson in 2010:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...hat-tories-claim-report-shows/article1461884/

The figure commonly circulated in the media was $1 billion, and even that was a lie. According to the Auditor General, that was the entire cost of Canadian Firearms program for a decade:
http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/internet/English/parl_oag_200605_04_e_14961.html#ch4hd3b

Despite that lie regarding costs, the majority of Canadians still supported the registry:
http://www.harrisdecima.ca/sites/default/files/releases/2010/09/21/hd-2010-09-21-en927.pdf

The exact cost of establishing the long-gun registry isn't known, except that we know it is far less than a billion dollars. The annual operating cost of the long-gun registry was up to $4 million per year (as per first link).

I just figured you'd like to know as you wouldn't like to be spreading misinformation.
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Even if it only cost a buck it was still a huge waste of time, money, and a major infringement of the rights of law abiding citizens.
 
fastar1 said:
Let me ask you, would you prefer to give people and incentive to save for their retirement, OR let them fall into poverty at the most fragile period of their lives and have to pay 10x more to support them, OR ignore their suffering and let them waste away and die? Considering the reality is that people aren't saving enough for retirement, those are the only 3 options I can see.
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So basically instead of having people to responsible for their own choices, let's put in a costly program which will put undue hardship on Ontario businesses to pay for people who don't have the self control today to save for their own futures.

Yup, that makes sense.
 
I can't vote Conservative because they confuse social conservatism and spending like drunken sailors on leave for fiscal conservatism. I can't vote NDP because NDP. Now the Liberals are making it hard for me to vote for them. Lackeys of my local Liberal candidate came by, a few days back, to put a sign on my lawn. The problem is that I didn't ask for one. Nor did one of my neighbours, who also got one on her lawn. The one they put on my lawn is currently in a vaguely pretzel-like shape.
 
How da fck is the NDP in majority territory in the latest polls. Canadians are morons.
this country will be a socialist, gun banning, easy on crime , tax hell if they get in.
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