The Official Election Thread

[fastar1]

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Whatever gave the impression that I don't have a "balanced" view of this?

Of course it makes sense for the corporate tax rate to be non-zero (I never suggested otherwise).

You did, when you said "the result will be ... less investment. That is not what our economy needs." and "We need to be making it more attractive to do business in Canada, not harder."

Those things are always true regardless of the tax rate or anything else that government does, so it doesn't tell us anything useful about either one. It's just one part of a complex situation that needs to be assessed as a whole.

Of course it doesn't make sense that the government created crazy schemes of rules with consequences (whether unintended or otherwise), that companies took advantage of (but given the opportunity, who wouldn't?) But the overall situation needs to be competitive with the outside world. If we create a situation where Canada is uncompetitive ... jobs leave. It is very close to being at that threshold. The low Canadian dollar right now is the only thing in our favour. There is no black-and-white line in the sand, though. I just don't want a government that is going to make the situation WORSE.

But Canada does not operate in a vacuum.

Do you want GM to keep the Oshawa plant going - along with the hundreds of suppliers in the area?
Do you want FCA to keep Bramalea going - along with the hundreds of suppliers in the area?
Both of those are currently in question. We just barely hung onto FCA retooling Windsor instead of sending it all to Mexico.

I have to go, will address this later.

 

[RockerGuy]

Sonny quoted rocker guy so I can read his post: isn't everyone's argument self serving in the sense that they argue for what they believe in? Why would anyone do differently?

This is is why he is ignored.

Just because you ignore me doesn't make it fact that people disapprove of your beliefs. Remimds me of the extinct Do-Do who buries it's head in the sand when there was danger. Just because you can't see the danger doesn't mean it doesn't exist lol.

Dont argue what you believe in if it's made up and has no facts. As above I proved you are spitting emotion and not facts. How you feel doesn't matter it's what is the truth. Like it or not.

I thought you were all brawn & no brains, you've proven me wrong

 

[Schneller]

Mea culpa, I mixed up Buffet with the Hunt brothers.

 

[nakkers]

What I find interesting is how much of the working middle class blames and hates the impoverished class as being freeloaders, when the super wealthy and corporations that use loopholes and off shore banking to avoid paying their fair share of taxes and demand government subsidies, are the ones that are siphoning off far more money from our society than the poor. The rich good old boys are able to get away from this because they bought conservative/republican politicians with lobbying and election contributions.

No, the "middle class" doesn't like free loaders that take advantage of social programs that are intended as a temporary measure, or hand up instead of a hand out. Some folks make a career out of gaming the system.

But honestly, I don't think that has been an issue for the public for a very long time? No one is making a decent living off government welfare or disability.

The focus for a lot of middle class has been government waste and no accountability and half measures to fix or resolve the issues.

Harper is no different than previous governments. Government has gotten bigger, more wasteful. A few folks step down or take a hit and the train keeps rolling. Send out some cheques and buy some votes. Bash the other parties along the way.

Hey, Wynn did it Provincially very successfully. Why can't Harper do it at a National level?

With the finger pointing out of the way, what issues are important to people? And who is the right government to do the job best and worthy of our votes?

The economy?

Government spending?

Government scandals?

Foreign policy?

Increase taxes?

Environment?

Climate change?





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[crankcall]

Sonny quoted rocker guy so I can read his post: isn't everyone's argument self serving in the sense that they argue for what they believe in? Why would anyone do differently?

This is is why he is ignored.

so you have Rockerrguy on ignore, then read him in a quoted frame and respond to his post................. there's probably a name for this disorder

 

[Brian P]

You did, when you said "the result will be ... less investment. That is not what our economy needs." and "We need to be making it more attractive to do business in Canada, not harder."

Please don't take excerpts out of context and then exaggerate them like the politicians do.

 

[Schneller]

About blaming the poor:

(story from USA, but relevant north of the 49th, up here in what's becoming USA lite under Harper)

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/rand-paul-thinks-youre-poor-because-you-dont-work-hard-enough/

btw, one of the first things the new Alberta NDP did was change the decades old flat tax to a progressive tax system so that the oil companies would pay their fair share. Harper called the 3 month old government a disaster.

 

[sonnythebull]

I doubt they will read it.


"If i was educated, I'd be a damn fool"

Read it and I Know it and it's super vague and talks about "effective" tax rate. Also as I posted earlier 98 percent of business in Canada is considered small business so this article doesn't help them at all. Putting that aside even if corporations paid zero tax do not forget the tax income generate on sales, on the of salaries of employees etc that all goes into the tax Income of canada.
also CRA is cracking down on offshore tax havens and closing any loopholes

 

[sonnythebull]

Mea culpa, I mixed up Buffet with the Hunt brothers.

Oh and how are they doing? Clearly many failings including what you suggest is paying no tax.

1. Nelson Bunker Hunt was an American oil company executive. He was a former billionaire whose fortune collapsed after he and his brother William Herbert Hunt tried but failed to corner the world market in silver.

 

[sonnythebull]

I thought you were all brawn & no brains, you've proven me wrong

well thanks and please stop flirting

 

[Schneller]

so you have Rockerrguy on ignore, then read him in a quoted frame and respond to his post................. there's probably a name for this disorder

It was just so vacuous, it needed responding to.

 

[Schneller]

Oh and how are they doing? Clearly many failings including what you suggest is paying no tax.

1. Nelson Bunker Hunt was an American oil company executive. He was a former billionaire whose fortune collapsed after he and his brother William Herbert Hunt tried but failed to corner the world market in silver.

Like I said, wrong example for the tax topic. But it does show you how the uber wealthy manipulate the system to their benefit. Sometimes they are successful, sometimes not. When successful, the cost to the system is higher than the freeloaders on welfare.

 

[sonnythebull]

Like I said, wrong example for the tax topic. But it does show you how the uber wealthy manipulate the system to their benefit. Sometimes they are successful, sometimes not. When successful, the cost to the system is higher than the freeloaders on welfare.

And there you go stating what you feel as fact. Please show me the stats on this . Again not your "feelings"

 

[eljay]

Oooh I want to stomp on this one so bad but the gammamensch is ignoring me!

About blaming the poor:

(story from USA, but relevant north of the 49th, up here in what's becoming USA lite under Harper)

http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politics/rand-paul-thinks-youre-poor-because-you-dont-work-hard-enough/

btw, one of the first things the new Alberta NDP did was change the decades old flat tax to a progressive tax system so that the oil companies would pay their fair share. Harper called the 3 month old government a disaster.

 

[Schneller]

And there you go stating what you feel as fact. Please show me the stats on this . Again not your "feelings"

Is it not blasingly obvious? Think about it. What corporations get away with in avoiding taxes through loopholes they have paid politicians to create and protect, versus welfare fore the poor? Do I have those figures on hand? No. But isn't it obvious?

 

[sonnythebull]

Like I said, wrong example for the tax topic. But it does show you how the uber wealthy manipulate the system to their benefit. Sometimes they are successful, sometimes not. When successful, the cost to the system is higher than the freeloaders on welfare.

poverty costs taxpayers 24 billion a year. So guess what ? It's a lot more than your supposed tax dodgers. Facts my friend facts

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadians-cover-24-billion-a-year-in-poverty-costs-report

 

[sonnythebull]

Is it not blasingly obvious? Think about it. What corporations get away with in avoiding taxes through loopholes they have paid politicians to create and protect, versus welfare fore the poor? Do I have those figures on hand? No. But isn't it obvious?

Isnt it obvious you have no idea what you are talking about but think your position is right and will filibuster until the end of time instead of researching facts that might or might not support your argument?

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadians-cover-24-billion-a-year-in-poverty-costs-report

 

[Schneller]

Joke:

A boss arrives to work work one morning in a car easily worth the annual salary of 4 employees.

An employee says, "What a great car, Boss!"

Boss says, "Let me tell you something. If you work hard, put in the hours and really apply yourself, next year I'll have an even nicer one."

 

[eljay]

Thinks NDP politicians will not do the same thing (or worse as history tells) lol.

His feelings are obviously correct. Because he feels them. This guy is drowning in estrogen.

Is it not blasingly obvious? Think about it. What corporations get away with in avoiding taxes through loopholes they have paid politicians to create and protect, versus welfare fore the poor? Do I have those figures on hand? No. But isn't it obvious?

 

[sonnythebull]

Like I said, wrong example for the tax topic. But it does show you how the uber wealthy manipulate the system to their benefit. Sometimes they are successful, sometimes not. When successful, the cost to the system is higher than the freeloaders on welfare.

And now to make you even more wrong your beloved Harper banned corporations and unions from donating to federal political parties and individuals are limited to 1275 per year in donations.

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