Frankly, Jr. A hockey is more chippy and intense. I also got hooked up with Student Seaons's Tickets to the Soo Greyhounds...$410.
The NHL'ers are treated like animals
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rmemedic
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Yep. OHL is awesome to watch, the guys are out there trying to get noticed and the play is awesome.
My ex gf's dad managed a certain OHL team, and it was a pretty intense job to make sure the team did well.
I'll be going to a 67's vs Petes game at least once this season.
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Met a bunch of the Hounds at a local bar...most are dumb as soup but the hockey is alright
I'm not into hockey whatsoever, but I was shocked to see in the paper that the Brampton Battalions are moving to North Bay. I would think in a time like this especially, there attendance would be high. But I'm sure this deal was in the works for a few years by now.
/shrug I hear Battalion games are deserted, meanwhile even before the lockout the Greyhounds would be near capacity despite sucking.
Who's on strike? This is an owner imposed lockout. Lets frame this in a light that anyone can understand, because lets face it, most here don't understand the core issue of this lockout.
Owners are locking players out of their livelihood (while they have alternate income); this would be like your boss telling you that you could no longer come to work, even though you're more than happy with the status quo. Just before your boss locks you out, they claim that your talents have made them record profits for the last 7 years; on the back of concessions you made during your last lockout (which you had no choice over). Then your boss (who is stupid enough to give you an over inflated, GUARANTEED contract) tells you that they no longer want to pay you your GUARANTEED contract, and despite your hard work and dedication (which brings them record profits) tells you that your salary will be decreased over the next five years. Oh yeah, your boss is also part of of a network of competing businesses that expanded out of control in an effort to grow total revenues; because of this foolish expansion some of the competing businesses can't stay afloat and as a result 25% of your salary is going to ESCROW to ensure these teams don't go bankrupt (instead of sharing revenue from the most profitable companies).
I briefly going to get into the lifestyle it takes to make it in hockey. I (at one point) played professional hockey; but nowhere near the NHL level. FOr me to get even as far as I did, I had to make HUGE concessions while growing up. I didn't get to go drinking with friends every weekend, I trained harder than 90% of my peers, slept less than 5 hours a night to ensure I had a good enough high school average to get into university (even while being on ice 5 nights a week playing Jr. and travelling hours on the bus), I was always sore, away from home as a teenager, missed holidays and fun. There was a ton of stress to compete, it wasn't always fun, took the piss out of my body (which I'm paying for now), earned me next to nothing while following a dream, and got me a much later start on the "things" in life. And I can honestly say that those that made it to the top gave much more than I ever did. I can't imagine how anyone that gets to the NHL level (and I've played with several)can be even remotely socially adjusted. Having said all of this, would i do it again? Hell yes, I would have pushed even harder to make it to the top, and not JUST for the huge paycheques, but for the chance to compete on a level that NO ONE else can even truly appreciate or comprehend. I would hazard to guess that 99% in the show are there for that reason alone. The pay is simply a very nice reward for a life of dedication, skill, and shortened health for those earning it. And let's face it; who would ever go into negotiation with an employer and ask for less than they're earning? No one, that's who...
Sorry for the long post, this topic just gets at me a little.
RandomHero
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I don't think I'm crazy in saying that hockey generates a lot more money than most of those sports you mentioned. How often do people pay to watch those outside of the olympics?
bunmanchi
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why should the players care how much money the owner makes. Its the owners money. He pays the players to do their job, and he pays them quite well for it,
Now it seems the greedy player wants more. If the greedy players wants more, tell them to pony up some dough, start his own team, and see how he'd feel if the players demanded the profit ( or part of it )
i'll admit i dont know tons about this lockout, but from what been reported , the core issue is the players demanding a certain percentage of the profits from the owners.
I wonder If the league lost money, would they be willing to take the loss as well, Or do you think they'd want their "guaranteed" money ?
please dont paint the "poor(NOT MONETARY ) hockey player, i have no social life, my back is sore, my knees are shot " picture of an average NHL'er
they can always go get a job at Sobey's or Home depot If they want.
Now it seems the greedy player wants more. If the greedy players wants more, tell them to pony up some dough, start his own team, and see how he'd feel if the players demanded the profit ( or part of it )
i'll admit i dont know tons about this lockout, but from what been reported , the core issue is the players demanding a certain percentage of the profits from the owners.
I wonder If the league lost money, would they be willing to take the loss as well, Or do you think they'd want their "guaranteed" money ?
please dont paint the "poor(NOT MONETARY ) hockey player, i have no social life, my back is sore, my knees are shot " picture of an average NHL'er
they can always go get a job at Sobey's or Home depot If they want.
You're neglecting the fact that nobody would hire you on the team, even if you were free.
Point being, you can't use the same argument about "how many people would take that job in their place?" as you would use for unionised garbage collectors (for example), because NHL players aren't exactly unskilled labour! Rather, the question should be "How many teams would hire farm-league players to take the place of the pros if there were no union to prevent them from doing so?" I'm not sure how many teams would draw from the lower levels, but my guess is not a lot of them.
How often to people watch College Football? Google one of the stadiums, they are insanely big, and filled. I would hazard a guess that College Football is more popular than the NHL.
Don't let your Canadian view on the popularity of hockey think it extends south of the border.
I would hazard a guess that NCAA College Football is exponentially bigger (fan base and money) than the NHL.
Isn't that what I said?
RandomHero
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Was it really that difficult to realize I was talking more about olympic sports?
This.
These players have been eating, sleeping, dreaming, playing hockey non-stop for probably most of their lives. Couple that dedication with intense physical training and athletic ability and *maybe* you'd have an INKLING of a shot at pro sports.
Now I'm not necessarily sitting around saying "woe is me poor players" but to act as though their jobs are easily replaceable is plain wrong. Is anyone gonna pay YOU millions of dollars to play pro hockey?
bunmanchi
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no-one's going to pay me millions to play hockey,but if they did, I'd be happy with it. I wouldnt expect the owners of the team to share their profit will me, as Im being compensated more than enough for my talent.
what do you do for a living ? would you demand that your company share 50% of their profits with you ? after all, Its because of your hard work, and dedication, and skill of you, and all the other employee's that results in the success of the company.
are the players easily replaceable ? YES. though not with the same talent, obviously.
ASk any Roiokie that was cut from the team, if they would play for the league minimum and i bet 100% of them would say yes.
cause lets face it, playing hockey for 525,000 per year beats the crap out of working at Home depot, or as a Cop, or 90% of any other jobs.
even if you only lasted 1 year, thats enough to buy a home and live mortgage free ( and thats like winning the lottery )
Well that's the thing. You have the guys like Stamkos, Lidstrom, Eberle, etc. that take pay cuts to stay with the team they love and play hockey. The Ovechkins, Federovs, Crosbys and Yashins of the league are the driving forces behind the lockout. What about all the rookies that were supposed to play their first season this year? What about all the one year signings? What about the guys closing out contracts? What about the Jets? Just moved to a major market, haven't had hockey in almost 20 years, get it for one season and them BAM lockout. You think those owners wanted this?
The Owners only need 8/30 to veto a deal being struck. The big 8 are pretty obvious and I don't think I need to spell it out for everyone what that means. The players have left all their cards in Fehr's hands, and that guy is all about sending a message and sticking it to the owners. Look at the big money superstars that are always with Fehr. You think guys like Shawn Thornton or any other "blue collar" player has a say in the negotiations? Hell no.
The fact they call themselves a union is a farce and a political move if anything. I want them to decertify. It'll make for some VERY interesting hockey without guaranteed contracts. Last time I checked no union in the history of the world supports their members ****ing off to another country during a lockout to be paid.
The Owners only need 8/30 to veto a deal being struck. The big 8 are pretty obvious and I don't think I need to spell it out for everyone what that means. The players have left all their cards in Fehr's hands, and that guy is all about sending a message and sticking it to the owners. Look at the big money superstars that are always with Fehr. You think guys like Shawn Thornton or any other "blue collar" player has a say in the negotiations? Hell no.
The fact they call themselves a union is a farce and a political move if anything. I want them to decertify. It'll make for some VERY interesting hockey without guaranteed contracts. Last time I checked no union in the history of the world supports their members ****ing off to another country during a lockout to be paid.
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Ya.. But I'm suggesting that NCAA college football isn't just a little bit bigger than the NHL. It's huge.
But what point are you trying to make? RH was talking about olympic sports that outside of the olympics don't have big followings.
Anyone with 2 eyes and ears knows most other major professional leagues in the US/Canada are much bigger than hockey. NHL is probably only significantly bigger than the NLL.
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No.. RH asked about fans paying to watch sports in which the athletes arent getting paid.
