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The Bad Drivers of Ontario Thread
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Wrong rob
The day all drivers follow all the rules, is the day I as a cyclist also follow all the rules. Sorry, not sorry. Cagers want cyclists to stop at stop signs, then will ***** and complain when they take up too much space on the road. On one hand, cagers demand cyclists adhere to the laws and act like cars, but then ***** if their afforded the same space as a car.
I'm not condoning not stopping if there are cars, but allowing bikes leeway to not have to come to a complete stop is the same to me as allowing filtering/splitting for motorbikes.
(For the record, I take joy in confusing cagers when I stop if it's not my turn at stop signs.)
Rob, you sound no different than a cager bitching about motorcycles btw.
I'm not condoning not stopping if there are cars, but allowing bikes leeway to not have to come to a complete stop is the same to me as allowing filtering/splitting for motorbikes.
(For the record, I take joy in confusing cagers when I stop if it's not my turn at stop signs.)
Rob, you sound no different than a cager bitching about motorcycles btw.
In one state down south a motorcyclist has to put both feet down for it to be a full stop. You can balance your trials bike for a half an hour on the same patch and it isn't a legal stop. Pay the man.
There are a couple of places I worry about coming to a full stop in the cage because the optics are such that few other vehicles actually come to a full stop at the right spot. I almost want a huge sign on the back of the cage "I actually stop for stop signs".
100% full stop on a bike or car isn't a lethal threat in most cases. It's the roll right through attitude. It's the lycra gathering crowd plugging a corner as they decide where they want to go for their lattes. It's the side by side we own the road attitude.
Stopping on a bicycle other than single speed is complex. You have to downshift and maybe pull your feet out of clips. Most cars are brainless automatic.
Training means needing to maintain set speeds but the roadways are meant for transportation not training by elites.
That said there are a lot of responsible cyclists that don't do the above. Kudos.
I recall being a bit annoyed by a cyclist that took the full left turn lane in front of me when he could have stayed a bit to the right so I could pass him on his left. Then I realized that few drivers can be counted on to make legal turns into the appropriate lane. Right into right and left into left. He had little choice due to the lack of enforcement of all laws.
Turning inside of him would likely be lane sharing so a no-no anyway.
Going the full depth of the problem, why is everyone in such a rush that they won't spare few minutes to save someone else serious grief?
My theory is the economics of rat race greed and the up tick of the problems as people face personal economic issues. Time is money.
There are a couple of places I worry about coming to a full stop in the cage because the optics are such that few other vehicles actually come to a full stop at the right spot. I almost want a huge sign on the back of the cage "I actually stop for stop signs".
100% full stop on a bike or car isn't a lethal threat in most cases. It's the roll right through attitude. It's the lycra gathering crowd plugging a corner as they decide where they want to go for their lattes. It's the side by side we own the road attitude.
Stopping on a bicycle other than single speed is complex. You have to downshift and maybe pull your feet out of clips. Most cars are brainless automatic.
Training means needing to maintain set speeds but the roadways are meant for transportation not training by elites.
That said there are a lot of responsible cyclists that don't do the above. Kudos.
I recall being a bit annoyed by a cyclist that took the full left turn lane in front of me when he could have stayed a bit to the right so I could pass him on his left. Then I realized that few drivers can be counted on to make legal turns into the appropriate lane. Right into right and left into left. He had little choice due to the lack of enforcement of all laws.
Turning inside of him would likely be lane sharing so a no-no anyway.
Going the full depth of the problem, why is everyone in such a rush that they won't spare few minutes to save someone else serious grief?
My theory is the economics of rat race greed and the up tick of the problems as people face personal economic issues. Time is money.
TK4
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Time is not money, money is money.
Time is just a way to insure everything doesn't happen at once.
I wish more people understood that and chilled...
So much illegal in one picture. As a start, vehicle driver using a handheld device (and needs mental help). Scooter probably isn't allowed on bovaird (is speed limit over 50 there?), no passengers allowed, maybe helmet infraction (if they are under 18).From Reddit:
"This idiot was making a left turn on Bovaird on his eScooter without any proactive gear. I really wanted to Run him over"
They are a great option but as expected, almost zero enforcement so almost zero adherence to the laws. Since rider is not complying with e-scooter laws, this is not an e-scooter and he is eligible for $6000 worth of tickets for an unlicensed, uninsured motor vehicle without appropriate helmet and probably without appropriate license endorsement.
I was once hit on my motorcycle precisely because I performed a proper stop. Stopped. Looked left. View blocked by a delivery van that had pulled all the way up into the crosswalk. Pulled forward to see around it, then stopped, as required by law. Saw a transport truck coming fast, so didn't pull out. Got hit from behind by some land yacht (Caddie or Lincoln). Fortunately went 10 feet straight up, instead of forward, or I'd have been street pizza. (Driver of the car was a salesman for an electric stair lift company. Insert jokes I've heard a thousand times here.)
I still come to a complete, legal stop at lights and signs.
I would like to see enforcement for illegal turns into the far lane as well. Most mornings, as I'm leaving home for work, the cars in front of and behind me as I turn onto the main drag go not one, but two lanes over when making a left. A LEFT. A large number of our gridlock issues, in built-up areas, could be solved by simply turning into the correct lane, so that both sides can proceed at the same time. Less gridlock means less stress, less road rage, fewer mid intersection collisions, etc.. The current issue is that there's so much really serious abuse on the roads, with so little enforcement, that niceties like this don't get dealt with.
And don't get me started on pedestrians who don't know what a traffic signal means.
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Umm. How dumb are police getting these days? "Driver filmed himself racing". Does he have three arms? Right hand on the wheel, left hand waving at the bike, camera moving around to look at interesting things.
Mad Mike
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At least he was wearing his helmet.
I'm a bit late but this reminds me of a time I saw a pedestrian nearly turned into paste at Bloor & Huntley. Fire truck is coming from the east (station just past Sherbourne), traffic has noticed it and has come to a stop. Guy had headphones, is not paying attention, just sees that traffic is stopped so it's time for him to cross. Fire truck has no line of sight at all on him - it's coming up the middle lane, there are trucks in both of the westbound lanes stopped on the line. He had a foot or two to go before the fire truck beat him to the middle of the crossing, I felt like I was about to see him die
One of many pedestrian/cyclists incidents I witnessed there. A lot of stuff went down Sherbourne & Bloor I guess due to Sherbourne station emptying onto the street there and drivers & pedestrians routinely trying to beat the light. Nearly EVERY CYCLE pedestrians will walk into the path of an advance green
Lots of that silliness driving going on
Something like that takes talent.33 yo women in Kitchener lost control of her Toyota in a parking lot. Bonus marks for getting the entire thing off the ground. Is that another Toyota underneath? The world is a safer place today.
I'm actually quite shocked we don't see more Teslas planted in buildings. Ungodly acceleration plus instant throttle response should be a recipe for disaster. Maybe the people that suck at driving don't own many yet? Or tesla auto-panic braking works well?
The large number of default safety settings likely has more than a little to do with that. There is at least one Youtube channel that is devoted to video just from Tesla crashes. They have something like 9 cameras. I think that 4 are directly user accessible and the rest can be accessed, with hacks.
I think the auto brakes work quite well and stop that sillyness
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