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Stunt Driving.... Need Help!!!

zeniceguy said:
My speedo breaks 300kph, does it quite often in the summer in specific areas depending on weather, light, road conditions and many other factors.
At that speed i will agree it isnt possible for me to do much in a situation, but at 190, there is no danger from a skilled rider, with a brain in hus head.
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Let me take this opportunity to say, RIP.

Just thought I'd get it in early so you have an opportunity to see it. So many riders like you never get the opportunity to see all the RIPs that arise in the wake of their over-estimation of their judgement and abilities.
 
Blackfin said:
There are some 8 pages of snide, smug and sarcastic posts from a demographic of riders that are one of the core reasons for rising insurance costs, increased police scrutiny and public anger affecting SS riders in particular but all motorcyclists to varying degrees. It would be somehow fitting if some of that smugness was wiped away with these same folks receiving letters from their insurance companies this coming spring saying the rising risk status of SSs was such that their premiums were rising, say, 275% -- as has been seen already here...

The only dog I have in that fight, so to speak, is that it might get these bikes out of the hands of the immature and the irresponsible and could perhaps result in a gradual reduction in the rates I pay as the rider of a sport touring bike.
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reasons for rising insurance costs, increased police scrutiny and public anger?

Where are you getting this from? A sample of one doesn't count to back your conjecture (whether some guy doing 90+ or some other guys premium going up by 275%). None of us want immature and irresponsible riders on the road, whether they're cruiser riding truck drivers on uppers or sport touring wannabes with knee sliding avatars.
 
Summary of thread:

The usual nanny's are pointing out that we as Canadians / Ontarians are too stupid to make our own decisions and must under all circumstances follow the rules and regulations set out by bureaucrats who have never ridden a motorcycle before. They know whats best for everyone always and should never be questioned or disobeyed because it is against the law. The law is always right no matter what.

The other side is arguing that reasonable adults with riding experience should be able to use their best judgement and to ride according to ever changing conditions going faster or slower regardless of what the number on the sign says. Thus increasing their riding skills on every ride. These riders are not maniacs that go 100 on Yonge street or 190 on 401 traffic. They go up north where there is little traffic and lots of visibility and work on improving their street riding.

Yes people get into accidents when riding more challenging roads but mastering the roads and the machine is the whole point of this sport for a lot of us.





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After reading this thread I figure I need to start an insurance company that only offers policies to young SS riders. I figure it's a good investment with my money. I will undercut these terrible big insurance companies that are taking advantage of this poor market segment by overcharging them without a base to do so.

I'm sure my investment will give me a good return on my money
 
Blackfin said:
The only dog I have in that fight, so to speak, is that it might get these bikes out of the hands of the immature and the irresponsible and could perhaps result in a gradual reduction in the rates I pay as the rider of a sport touring bike.
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nononononono LOLOLOLOL hahahaha, you think the rates will go DOWN?! You haven't been paying insurance for very long, have you?

Insurance rates are comparable to taxes - they NEVER go back down.
 
Kri$han said:
nononononono LOLOLOLOL hahahaha, you think the rates will go DOWN?! You haven't been paying insurance for very long, have you?

Insurance rates are comparable to taxes - they NEVER go back down.
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Sure they do. Milestones in life are one example. The rates males pay go down as they age, when they get married, when they own a house, when they combine coverage (houses and contents, cars, bikes etc). I've seen declines, albeit modest, in my premiums for my cars over the years.

If economic Darwinism on the part of the reckless and immature resulted fewer of them riding SSs and the resultant stats reflected the risk associated with motorcycles trending downward then insurance companies could very well ease rate increases and even lower rates for some. Indeed, if the risk dropped more companies may actually compete for business rather than shunning it.
 
Blackfin said:
Sure they do. Milestones in life are one example. The rates males pay go down as they age, when they get married, when they own a house, when they combine coverage (houses and contents, cars, bikes etc). I've seen declines, albeit modest, in my premiums for my cars over the years.

If economic Darwinism on the part of the reckless and immature resulted fewer of them riding SSs and the resultant stats reflected the risk associated with motorcycles trending downward then insurance companies could very well ease rate increases and even lower rates for some. Indeed, if the risk dropped more companies may actually compete for business rather than shunning it.
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Yes, your individual rates can go down based on the insurance company's risk assessment data, thats kind of obvious, but whae this thread is discussing is a blanket increase for ALL riders of SS bikes, across the board. And as those rates rise, they never go back down, similar to taxes. The governments (and insurance companies, in this case) will use any reason to increase your premiums, and cry to you about not having enough money, or that "the insurance game doesn't pay much!", but when there is surplus $$ in their pockets, do you think some of that $$ will result in a discount? Hell no! They've already got you used to paying more!

All those insurance companies have hundred million dollar profits - albeit from their investments and not their insurance divisions - but shouldn't they be using those capital gains to fund their insurance division? and if they are, why would they need to keep charging us more?
 
To all the gtam whinners.
I have logged probobley 600,000km of fun riding.
Probobly 90% speeding (with in reason, 1 over is still speeding) only incident ever was oil on an on ramp doing the speed limt.
Sometime 300+
Sometimes speed limit
Some times on race track
Time and place
Stop cry about everything
Even isis thinks there right

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Bikerider said:
Summary of thread:

The usual nanny's are pointing out that we as Canadians / Ontarians are too stupid to make our own decisions and must under all circumstances follow the rules and regulations set out by bureaucrats who have never ridden a motorcycle before. They know whats best for everyone always and should never be questioned or disobeyed because it is against the law. The law is always right no matter what.

The other side is arguing that reasonable adults with riding experience should be able to use their best judgement and to ride according to ever changing conditions going faster or slower regardless of what the number on the sign says. Thus increasing their riding skills on every ride. These riders are not maniacs that go 100 on Yonge street or 190 on 401 traffic. They go up north where there is little traffic and lots of visibility and work on improving their street riding.

Yes people get into accidents when riding more challenging roads but mastering the roads and the machine is the whole point of this sport for a lot of us.





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Well said. Could not have put it any better. Kudos to you.
 
Bikerider said:
Yes people get into accidents when riding more challenging roads but mastering the roads and the machine is the whole point of this sport for a lot of us.



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Bloody 'ell are you one of the remaining Dunlops? Street riding isn't like street hockey where you can pretend to be one of the greats.
 
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Kri$han said:
Yes, your individual rates can go down based on the insurance company's risk assessment data,
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Risk assessment? Lots of people in this thread would call talk of "risk assessment" having anything to do with what insurance companies charge as hogwash.

Nothing risky at all about how some SS riders operate their bikes. Nah, nothing at all.

Just can't explain why they charge so much for them. But risk assessment having anything to do with it? Can't be. Heresy!
 
inreb said:
Bloody 'ell are one of the remaining Dunlops? Street riding isn't like street hockey where you can pretend to be on of the greats.
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Someone just watched "Road" on Netflix. :)

I've always liked the saying "Use your superior experience/judgement to avoid having to use your superior skills!"
 
Blackfin said:
And they do. I don't like being a 48 yo married, home-owning driver with 32 years driving experience, no at-faults, no tickets, no moving violations etc and yet having to pay a thousand dollars a year for each of my STi, my Mustang GT and my Fazer 800. Thing is, even if I'm not necessarily a risk-taking individual, I am driving and riding vehicles that are statistically more risky than if I was driving, say, a Corolla.



They're both risky and both pay high premiums as a result.
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I just recently smoked an sti on a dig with my S4, gt's wont approach me...
 
Bikerider said:
Summary of thread:
The usual nanny's are pointing out that we as Canadians / Ontarians are too stupid to make our own decisions and must under all circumstances follow the rules and regulations set out by bureaucrats who have never ridden a motorcycle before. They know whats best for everyone always and should never be questioned or disobeyed because it is against the law. The law is always right no matter what. And I abjured school because of my strong anarchist convictions and as a result I have never heard of the social contract, democracy, rule of law, or other civic fundamentals. Also, I live off the grid in a birch and newspaper wigwam for one, drinking bark tea and living off the proceeds of petty crime. Booya.

The other side is arguing that reasonable adults with riding experience should be able to use their best judgement and to ride according to ever changing conditions going faster or slower regardless of what the number on the sign says. Thus increasing their riding skills on every ride. These riders are not maniacs that go 100 on Yonge street or 190 on 401 traffic. They go up north where there is little traffic and lots of visibility and work on improving their street riding. I know this because I have never ever ever seen a motorcyclist in shorts and back protector 50-pencing a simple on-ramp. Ever.

Yes people get into accidents and injure others and die young leaving behind distraught loved ones when riding more challenging roads but mastering the roads and the machine and pointlessly risking death is the whole selfish point of this sport for a lot of us.
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Straw man libertarian rant disguised as relevant contribution. Which thread are you reading? This one seems to be about people who believe that accidents actually happen and those who are perfect riders on perfect roads. Unfortunately, my crappy world contains wildlife, potholes, tiredness, slow idiots on fast motorcycles passing me in my lane, adverse camber, blind spots, legal restrictions, and a variety of other obstacles and imperfections. Judging by the carnage on Canadian roads my world does seem to exist. And now I'm off for a ride because it's lovely out.
 
Bikerider said:
Summary of thread:

The usual nanny's are pointing out that we as Canadians / Ontarians are too stupid to make our own decisions and must under all circumstances follow the rules and regulations set out by bureaucrats who have never ridden a motorcycle before. They know whats best for everyone always and should never be questioned or disobeyed because it is against the law. The law is always right no matter what.

The other side is arguing that reasonable adults with riding experience should be able to use their best judgement and to ride according to ever changing conditions going faster or slower regardless of what the number on the sign says. Thus increasing their riding skills on every ride. These riders are not maniacs that go 100 on Yonge street or 190 on 401 traffic. They go up north where there is little traffic and lots of visibility and work on improving their street riding.

Yes people get into accidents when riding more challenging roads but mastering the roads and the machine is the whole point of this sport for a lot of us.





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Funny...I thought it was only a sport on the track.
 
zeniceguy said:
To all the gtam whinners.
I have logged probobley 600,000km of fun riding.
Probobly 90% speeding (with in reason, 1 over is still speeding) only incident ever was oil on an on ramp doing the speed limt.
Sometime 300+
Sometimes speed limit
Some times on race track
Time and place
Stop cry about everything
Even isis thinks there right

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...and by your own admission have had to deal with court dates and traffic tickets.
 
Yes, iv never said it was legel or should be legel.
But a skilled rider with a brain isnt overly dangerous at 190, in the right situations.

Also, my stunt charge was the option of being run off the road (or over) by an suv (already crossing into my lane with a car right behind me) or quickly passing him. 50 over is a stunt charge.
Traffic traveling at 115 in an 80, didnt take much to make 50 over.




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zeniceguy said:
Ps i got caught by a plain, charged with 172a stunt, fought with no lawyer and got dropped to 49 over.

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For posterity, could you break down what the total costs were?

- ticket (final for 49 over) and before drop
- Lawyer
- impound
- insurance hikes?
 
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