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SOAR & RACE make big announcement at motorcycle supershow !?
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racepro171
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Where would a 17yr old 1000cc fit in???
I was thinking about that, last year at the last round we had to stop the endurance race 10 min early because it started to snow, The Sunday was cold as hell as well.
1 or 2 more weeks later and people will be riding with snow suits
..and off topic, damn Canada get your **** together, we were 5 - 1
Lost Era Heavy. And there's nothing stopping it from running in the superbike class.
Worse. 5 - 4.
Now that the nail-biter is over with the good guys winning ... I think RACE and SOAR both had their schedules set before this latest plan was hatched, but yes, Shannonville on the 2nd week of October might be a little cold ...
Not that I'm the person riding it, but I spent the lions share of a year, not to mention a pisspot full of money prepping one of the nicest 03 R1s ive ever seen. Id hate to see it vanish into obscurity before having a chance to shine.
Don't worry ZX600, when your(my) 06 1000 hits LE it will be a dominant bike until whatever year the beamer turns 12.
Just wait your turn....no jumping the line!
Going from 12 to 10 to accommodate 2 or 3 RACE bikes seems foolish to me considering so many have so much invested in bikes to fit the class as it stands.
Also. Has anybody given any thought to the effect on endurance GTU. I wonder how Squids for kids will feel lining up that 929 up against westbrooks R1 or Zx600's 06 GSX-R with 160+ rwhp and bazzaz TC for those cold days. I bet those TLR riders will really appreciate it too.
Lost era... light and heavy both....is one of SOAR's biggest draws..and if it ain't broke........
The more that I hear regarding how masters works/or doesnt as well as how many or rather how few ten year old bikes actually race in Sportsman it looks more and more like 12 and 40. As for a final because we live in Canada and do not enjoy a southern track (Road Atlanta for WERA and Daytona for CCS) I could see a spring run off. In other words we do a full season, invites go out over the winter and say a Victoria Day Runoff of Champions. The winners then have all winter to prepare, Pro's that do well have some money to start the season, we hopefully get better weather etc. I need to confirm but this just makes sense. Being where we live we must stretch our season (start early and ends later) or we have all in three months and people go broke and lose interest. As Paulo said we got slammed last round last year. But two years ago it was 24 and sunny all weekend we ate our Thanksgiving Feast in shorts and Tshirts. But I do agree a final at end of Oct is unlikely.
racepro171
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jennings is pretty cheap to rent!!!!!! two days, and the chances of warmth is better. and a neutral track for all. maybe once word got out that a Canadian GRF (grand regional final) was happening, might draw up some southerners.
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Not that simple. I cannot get liabilty coverage in US. It would also mean all of the staff would have to be granted US work visas and that would be unlikely being there are us series and workers that are already doing that job (a pre-requisite for a B-1 visa is that you are not taking a job that a qualified American can do) As you likely know a Pro licensed rider racing in the US in a series offering payout requires a visa (not that many do). Could potentially be done if teaming up with a US series to run it but that opens two more problems. First they wouldnt want to invite a series in from another country doing exactly what they are doing (competition) Second thn it really isnt a Canadian series anymore is it.
What is the rule for bikes in sportsman light?
Now we're talking! You can't get some where with out affecting someone. We have all been there and it sucks,,like when CSBK dropped 250GP bikes from the SB class,,,IT WILL HAPPEN. This is a sport driven by technology and when you get to class's affected by a time line it can not and never will be easy. Pick a point and then take X amount of time to get there. OR option B,, this is it Now. Sadly either way it will affect some.
- Up to 500 cc, 4 stroke, twin cylinder, any year
- up to 400 cc, 4 stroke, multiple cylinder, any year
- up to 600 cc, 4 stroke, air cooled, any year
- Unlimited cc, 4 stroke, 1 cylinder, any year
- Unlimited cc, 2 stroke, single or twin, greater than 10 years old, excluding GP bikes that are classed in Middleweight
- up to 400 cc, 4 stroke, multiple cylinder, any year
- up to 600 cc, 4 stroke, air cooled, any year
- Unlimited cc, 4 stroke, 1 cylinder, any year
- Unlimited cc, 2 stroke, single or twin, greater than 10 years old, excluding GP bikes that are classed in Middleweight
racepro171
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just my " i banged my head too many times" wishing. lol you guys have a lot of work, good luck.
I would schedule the final for the first of September or just before each Orgs's last round. So if SOAR had a round in early September and Their last round is OCT,RACES last round is the end of September then you go Mid September.
You can still get good weather. You can get bad weather all year. This way the Eastern Champs get a round to run their #1 [which would be cool]. Then SOAR and RACE can have their last weekend to decide their own championships. OR the second last round of each Organization is the Run-Off pending the year and rotation. Then everyone knows. Taking the winter and doing it in the spring might loose some of the impact.
You can still get good weather. You can get bad weather all year. This way the Eastern Champs get a round to run their #1 [which would be cool]. Then SOAR and RACE can have their last weekend to decide their own championships. OR the second last round of each Organization is the Run-Off pending the year and rotation. Then everyone knows. Taking the winter and doing it in the spring might loose some of the impact.
The people squawking most in this thread about rule changes, are the ones who didn't even commit to making all of the SOAR rounds last yr.
I will come if it doesn't rain
I will come if there is a timing system
I will come if we don't do a reverse layout
I will come if the rules never change
I will come if the rules do change....etc etc etc
.....tell ya what- buy a 99 SV650, and race every class there is. You only have to pay for the first 4 or 5 classes you run anyways, and that bike fits just about every class.
Anyone remember the SOAR early days with Rob Buzby on a rhino linered clapped out '99 SV650 duking it out with Scott Rupert on a then-new GSXR1000 for the Superbike win?
You guys do realize the Novice Superbike champ for 2014 was riding a 12 yr old R1, whopping up on new bikes, some making 40 more hp than his? I never heard him ***** about it once, even though he couldn't even stay in the draft of some of his competitors. He knows he is the only one to blame for the weapon he brought to the fight. He made due with what he had, and very well I might add.
Keep on acting like princesses, and ******** all over the bed you sleep in, and our series may turn out like the other ones.
I am just happy to race. Like Dave said, our 929 is no match for real litrebikes.......but it was the bike I had sitting in my garage funused for 2 yrs, so I put numbers on it. My 929 has never been a competetive bike. Even 2001 GSXR750's are lighter and more powerful. It's bone stock , right down to the steel sprockets, OEM gearing and 530 chain......almost showroom stock really, except for a shock and steering damper. I knew it then, and know it now. I am not fooled into thinking my bike is holding me back- I am still the weak link in my own racing program, and am having fun without spending cubic dollars-I was washed up before I began at almost 38 yrs old. Spending my own $ being a legend in my own mind.
Do some of you guys have aspirations of winning Lost Era championship, so you can noticed by Yamaha Canada and getting a factory ride next yr and going to pick on Szoke and Christie? LMAO Buy a new bike every 3 yrs and race 600 EXT if that's the kind of racing you are into.
I will come if it doesn't rain
I will come if there is a timing system
I will come if we don't do a reverse layout
I will come if the rules never change
I will come if the rules do change....etc etc etc
.....tell ya what- buy a 99 SV650, and race every class there is. You only have to pay for the first 4 or 5 classes you run anyways, and that bike fits just about every class.
Anyone remember the SOAR early days with Rob Buzby on a rhino linered clapped out '99 SV650 duking it out with Scott Rupert on a then-new GSXR1000 for the Superbike win?
You guys do realize the Novice Superbike champ for 2014 was riding a 12 yr old R1, whopping up on new bikes, some making 40 more hp than his? I never heard him ***** about it once, even though he couldn't even stay in the draft of some of his competitors. He knows he is the only one to blame for the weapon he brought to the fight. He made due with what he had, and very well I might add.
Keep on acting like princesses, and ******** all over the bed you sleep in, and our series may turn out like the other ones.
I am just happy to race. Like Dave said, our 929 is no match for real litrebikes.......but it was the bike I had sitting in my garage funused for 2 yrs, so I put numbers on it. My 929 has never been a competetive bike. Even 2001 GSXR750's are lighter and more powerful. It's bone stock , right down to the steel sprockets, OEM gearing and 530 chain......almost showroom stock really, except for a shock and steering damper. I knew it then, and know it now. I am not fooled into thinking my bike is holding me back- I am still the weak link in my own racing program, and am having fun without spending cubic dollars-I was washed up before I began at almost 38 yrs old. Spending my own $ being a legend in my own mind.
Do some of you guys have aspirations of winning Lost Era championship, so you can noticed by Yamaha Canada and getting a factory ride next yr and going to pick on Szoke and Christie? LMAO Buy a new bike every 3 yrs and race 600 EXT if that's the kind of racing you are into.
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This just reinforces that the rules/classes are a mess. The sportsman classes were ill thought out when they were introduced in the early 2000s. I was there when all this happened there were three very well attended classes. Lightweight Superbike, Twins & Club Cup. An imported BC RACE referee at the time somehow convinced Jean and Chris that Sportsman was the way to go. The sale was "it will save time in sched" of course it didnt three races gone replaced by three races. Fields instantly went to half and consistently declined. A bunch of us tried to get this reversed but fell on deaf ears. It will grow........ It didnt. The premise kinda works with smaller clubs when subdividing causes many small classes anmess and ALWAYS favours certain bikes over others diminishing the competition. The sportsman system if introduced at SOAR would immediately cut fields and entries in half (as it did in RACE years ago) A rider on the right bike can now enter three or four classes is now restrained to one or two by the rules. Just doesnt make sense. We looked at both rulebooks and decided to modify the SOAR system rather than the RACE system simply because it was less work and easier to incorporate changes. The RACE rulebook is very outdated and had many aspects that just didnt make any sense yet have been left for years anyway. Things like horsepower limits? When was the last time there was a dyno there? Even if there was its a flawed system with electronic trickery its very easy to change the numbers to whatever you want. Not to mention how bike strapped to machine, consistant temps/pressures etc, tire conditions and position on drum. You can take a bike do a dyno run. Roll it out bring it back 30 min later and do another numbers are different. Run one map get one number, flip a hidden switch or even RF remote switch to second map and a different number. Another off top of head was DOT tires in 600. When asked why the answer is because its always been that way?????? It goes back to 600 production which ended in the 90s rules on mods allowed have been added over the years yet tires remain? Makes no sense to restrict. I guess what I am trying to say is that none of this is being taken lightly. It will effect people and we all understand that but there are driving forces that are making this necessary. Both for the sport and especially RACE. Keep in mind there would be NO RACE at all if we didnt do this.
Don't know if that was pointed at me.
My concern is that if RACE Sportsman Light develops a 12 year old bike requirement it closes the class to my kids who have competed in it on small, newer cc bikes.
It's a good inter class for them and provides a class for them to get more race time on smaller bikes before they move up. The newer options on the market, like a R3 or RC390 fit nicely in this class. They have competed on their CBR250s as well (granted at a disadvantage) so that they get more seat time.
99 SV650. Yep got one of those for the older kid.
My concern is that if RACE Sportsman Light develops a 12 year old bike requirement it closes the class to my kids who have competed in it on small, newer cc bikes.
It's a good inter class for them and provides a class for them to get more race time on smaller bikes before they move up. The newer options on the market, like a R3 or RC390 fit nicely in this class. They have competed on their CBR250s as well (granted at a disadvantage) so that they get more seat time.
99 SV650. Yep got one of those for the older kid.
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