So many accidents already.

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Look around.. Lots if people pass their drivers exam, but really.... they dont know how to drive.
You see it all the time...
People making right turns from the left lane.
Running red lights.
Not looking when they turn or change lanes.
Hell... in my area it seems as if stop signs are just a mild suggestion...
 
Hack said:
Look around.. Lots if people pass their drivers exam, but really.... they dont know how to drive.
You see it all the time...
People making right turns from the left lane.
Running red lights.
Not looking when they turn or change lanes.
Hell... in my area it seems as if stop signs are just a mild suggestion...
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It's common in some areas to pay others to take the drive test for you. I don't know the going rate, I do know a few youngsters that paid $1000 for a 'lookalike' to driver their G tests.
 
Mad Mike said:
It's common in some areas to pay others to take the drive test for you. I don't know the going rate, I do know a few youngsters that paid $1000 for a 'lookalike' to driver their G tests.
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...that's really a thing? sheesh.
 
Mad Mike said:
It's common in some areas to pay others to take the drive test for you. I don't know the going rate, I do know a few youngsters that paid $1000 for a 'lookalike' to driver their G tests.
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I think it's more common to just take the test in a jurisdiction that is FAR away from Toronto/GTA. I've seen people from Toronto drive up to Muskoka / Bradford or other areas where there is no traffic because they're 'scared to drive in the big city'...like WTF!? Then you shouldn't be driving!
 
mimico_polak said:
I think it's more common to just take the test in a jurisdiction that is FAR away from Toronto/GTA. I've seen people from Toronto drive up to Muskoka / Bradford or other areas where there is no traffic because they're 'scared to drive in the big city'...like WTF!? Then you shouldn't be driving!
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Or they don’t like spending the entire day waiting at a drive test centre in the city because it is so friggn busy.


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It's been attempted before on the motorcycle course.

If you want to see someone who doesn't really know how to drive, but should, just look in the mirror. Most motorcyclists don't stop for those pesky signs or lights, because then they'd have to put their foot down, "and put themselves in danger from others", don't check their blindspots regularly, ride in the wrong lane, wrong track, apex turns into the oncoming traffic lane, etc., etc.,
 
sburns said:
Or they don’t like spending the entire day waiting at a drive test centre in the city because it is so friggn busy.


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Back in the day, they set up a trailer on the corner of a field near Lawrence and Warden, and ran driving tests out of there, in addition to the Building on Warden. They should try something similar.
 
Scuba Steve said:
You should have to take a test at the closest drive test center to your house.

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At the very least a reasonable radius like 25 km. That lets the centres load-balance some while keeping the test in a similar traffic area. The last time I went to Lindsay drive test, there were literally two or three car loads of people that came from brampton and were waiting on standby for a test.
 
Baggsy said:
Back in the day, they set up a trailer on the corner of a field near Lawrence and Warden, and ran driving tests out of there, in addition to the Building on Warden. They should try something similar.
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That musta been a long time ago. I don't recall there ever being a field there in my life time. :rolleyes:
 
sburns said:
That musta been a long time ago. I don't recall there ever being a field there in my life time. :rolleyes:
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Ancient history, it was actually the remains of a tarmac parking lot just big enough to set out some plastic pylons. They had you ride around the residential area where there were 2 houses that had a driver testing sign in the front window, lady would stand in the window washing dishes or whatever and watch you make a safe u-turn, then phone the test guy to say you did it right. Was about the same era that wearing helmets became law. Did my M there April 30 1971
 
Baggsy said:
Not the best traffic circle
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One poorly-designed (and outdated) example does not throw away the entire concept.

Here is a modern, and much better one. Norval

The central reservation between traffic directions aims drivers in the proper direction before they enter the roundabout. While it is never impossible to prevent people from doing the wrong thing, a driver would either have to be entering the whole structure in the wrong-direction traffic lane, or make a really acute left turn at a sharp angle and very low speed - which would be rather visible to anyone else approaching in the correct direction of the roundabout.

This location used to have a two-direction stop sign (on tenth line) with straight-through traffic on 10th sideroad, i.e. typical rural intersection. There was nothing to stop someone from blowing through the stop sign without slowing down and hitting full-speed traffic that had no stop sign nor any feature of the road that would slow them down.

Sideswipe-type crashes at typically lower speeds certainly can and do happen at roundabouts but I'd take 10 of those before one full-speed blow through a stop sign crash at a traditional intersection!

P.S. in europe I've seen roundabouts consisting of a flower pot sitting in the middle of the intersection with an arrow facing each oncoming road pointing people to go thataway around the flower pot.
 
bull958 said:
They are putting roundabouts in Brampton, but with a twist. They're installing stadium seating around them some everyone can watch the carnage.
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Make them big enough to put a little one family picnic park in the centre, will stop the kids from wandering too far.
 
bull958 said:
They are putting roundabouts in Brampton, but with a twist. They're installing stadium seating around them some everyone can watch the carnage.
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Brampton area has a high level of immigrant population, you would think they would know about roundabouts as European and South Asian countries use them a lot. Perhaps these people were most likely on public transit in those places, but still, you would think they would understand the concept. In the US, places like Colorado, Oregon (Where I have visited recently) roundabouts are quite common in many areas. Makes us here in Ontario seem backwards. I think its our Ontario (lack of skill) style of riding and driving that is at fault.
 
Trials said:
Make them big enough to put a little one family picnic park in the centre, will stop the kids from wandering too far.
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Dont make them too big, we had a problem in New Zealand a few years ago when Bollywood film crews used to stop illegally, and film in the middle of our traffic islands/roundabouts. :ROFLMAO:
In the UK I have seen Gypsies set up camp in some of the larger ones too :oops:
 
Lots of accidents this year indeed, but sadly, I think a lot of riders bring them upon themselves.

I'm not being an apologist for terrible cager drivers, but I'm saying that MC riders need to be aggressively responsible for their own safety as well - so often I see MC riders clueless to risks surrounding them - driving for extended periods in another vehicles blind spot when a simple change in speed would have them clear in a heartbeat, not adjusting their blocking position as needed to make themselves more visible while approaching an intersection (to avoid the left turn of death), removing, obscuring, or reducing lighting for cosmetic reasons, not watching cars pulling out of parking lots like hawks (you need to ASSSUME they will pull out in front of you 100% of the time), blasting past slower or stopped traffic in adjacent lanes without due dilligence to your blocking position and being prepared with an immediate out (caused a death on the 401 a few years ago for those who remember when someone pulled out of a stopped lane in front of a MC blasting down the left hand lane), and then of course there's just the blatant "riding like an idiot" people who throw caution to the wind until Karma catches up to them, which it often does.

We are the most vulnerable people on the roads and we need to ride accordingly - others WILL do stupid things around you, it's inevitable, and it's only going to get worse (at least until automation takes over) so a huge percentage of staying safe on the roads relies on the MC rider themselves.

Sadly, many of these common situations above are just not taught to people when they get their MC licence, particularly those who just go the MTO route with no training.

Accordingly, a lot of these accidents are a result of lax licensing standards.
 
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