And you would classify the US as a polite society?
I doubt arming everyone is going to do anything but fuel this issue.
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And you would classify the US as a polite society?
I doubt arming everyone is going to do anything but fuel this issue.
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And you would classify the US as a polite society?
I doubt arming everyone is going to do anything but fuel this issue.
Compared to Toronto the US is a VERY polite society. Their customer service is second to none also.
Give guns to some of the teachers I had? The gun would be used on them. More guns isn't the answer but neither is banning them. Even if you had highly trained armed guards at the schools (who's going to pay for that? We don't even want to pay our teachers a decent wage) you would still have shootings. Look at the university of Alberta shootings this year, an armed guard killed 3 armed guards and wounded another. Guns aren't the problem or the solution. The school shootings aren't even economic problems.
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The cheapest, most effective mass casualty weapons are chemical weapons.
I'm part of a team that deals with the cleanup of these exposures, either civilian or military. So I have a bit of education on the subject.
Ive "made" sarin gas. It wasn't active, but I have seen the process, and how simple it is. It wouldn't be impossible to get the ingredients. Basically it would be very similar in process to make as meth is...
Its easy to go online, research for to make a bomb or a chemical / biological weapon (some guy in the states does it in his kitchen and shows people online how to do it and he is 100% self educated).
Taliban are really effective with basic materials and a cheap cell phone / radio. Why wouldn't some maniac make a handfull of bombs, plant them and detonate from a distance? I could figure out how to pretty easily from readily available information.
If I was a loose canon and wanting to inflict some damage, it wouldn't be with one of my firearms (which is actually 10' from me right now) it would be through one of these means.
There's your examples.
Many of the complaints I deal with at work are complaints about our us location
As far as the US goes Connecticut has some of the stricter gun laws. The guns used appear to be legal and appear to not be owned by the shooter but the mother.
While I think they need to wake up and do something about gun control I am not sure it would have made a difference in this tragedy. The real change needs to be the gun culture and the feeling many there have that they have to own a gun.
This is a bigger issue than just control.
While I think they need to wake up and do something about gun control I am not sure it would have made a difference in this tragedy. The real change needs to be the gun culture and the feeling many there have that they have to own a gun.
This is a bigger issue than just control.
When i ride with my buddy in S.C.,he carries a 9mm berreta in his pocket everywhere we go except bars.(then it goes in the saddlebag) I asked him why he carries,and his answer was,"because it makes everyone very polite".Every trailer in his park in the mountains was owned by folks with cwp permits.Really bizarre from our point of view.I talked my bud into posing for this pic back at his home in Spartanburg.The Berreta is his pocket weapon,the 38 goes in his wifes purse,and the 45 ruhger is a shiney toy.All 3 have hollow points.And you would classify the US as a polite society?
I doubt arming everyone is going to do anything but fuel this issue.
I have a feeling that Canada number would jump by an order of magnitude if the laws to protect your property and family from an intruder were relaxed.
This isn't about 3rd world countries. They have a whole different set of problems.
1st world countries, you reduce the amount of firearms per capita and you reduce firearm related homicides and suicides and accidental deaths.
Already posted but it is very valid
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The link you posted has numbers on the number of licenses and number of REGISTERED restricted/prohibited firearms in Canada.
What Paul1000RR is referring to is the TOTAL number of all civilian FIREARMS in Canada. It is a commonly held estimate that there are approximately 7 million firearms in Canada (this includes non-restricted firearms and is probably higher today than when this statistic was released several years ago). That is roughly one firearm for every 3 to 4 Canadians.
Hope that clarifies his comment
no offence to the teachers here, but sorry, as far as I'm concerned, they get a pretty decent wage. So much so that senior teachers are reluctant to retire and new grad teachers are struggling to find a job. And people are still flocking to teacher's college.
I'm told they are paid anywhere from $67,000 to $98,000. For a profession that has pretty much 9:00 to 4:00 hours and 2 months of the year off and an excellent pension/sick time benefits package, I see that as a pretty decent wage.
But I digress.
As for the University of Alberta campus shooting, that was a robbery/homicide committed by one of the armed guards on a 4 person armed guard team. The situation seems a little different to the one being discussed at hand.
And you would classify the US as a polite society?
I doubt arming everyone is going to do anything but fuel this issue.
I have met only exceedingly polite people in Tennessee and North Carolina where they're pretty much armed to the teeth.
You're statistics are somewhat biased, seeing as many of the numbers are provided by a gun control organization.
Also, I think you need to eliminate the suicides, as they will likely have resorted to other means if a gun wasn't available. Their inclusion really muddies the waters
What you really want to check, I believe, is per capita homicide rates by country, and see if this is at all in line with number of firearms. Having said that, I still stand by my assertion that factors beyond simple firearm numbers account for homicide rates.
I checked another wikipedia page listing homicides per capita worldwide and the USA is quite far down the list (ranked 108 globally), at about 4.2 per captia. Canada is a further down the list, at 1.6.
At the top of the list are some horrific numbers with the top 20, ranging from 26 to 91 homicides per capita
Also, I think you need to eliminate the suicides, as they will likely have resorted to other means if a gun wasn't available. Their inclusion really muddies the waters
What you really want to check, I believe, is per capita homicide rates by country, and see if this is at all in line with number of firearms. Having said that, I still stand by my assertion that factors beyond simple firearm numbers account for homicide rates.
I checked another wikipedia page listing homicides per capita worldwide and the USA is quite far down the list (ranked 108 globally), at about 4.2 per captia. Canada is a further down the list, at 1.6.
At the top of the list are some horrific numbers with the top 20, ranging from 26 to 91 homicides per capita
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Kitchen knife registry!!!
The RCMP's mandate is to limit gun ownership in Canada and they will publish numbers that trivialize gun owners and their numbers.
Where there is a will, there is a way, and the human race has lots of will when it comes to killing each other.
While the incidents in question are tragic and gain a lot of media attention, we should keep things in perspective.. There are over 30,000 traffic fatalities in the US every year.
-There are about 10,000 gun deaths in the US every year based on the information posted here
-Out of those, about 4500 are accidents or murder, I won't bother counting the suicides (will, way...)
-Out of those I doubt that even 1 in 5 are law-abiding citizens either caught up in random violence (gang shootouts, crazed gunmen) or deliberate violence (conflict, attacks by criminals), but let
s round it up to 1000
-About 50% (a bit more) of US households have guns, while let's say that everyone owns a car in the US, which doubles your relative likelihood of being killed by a gun over there
-That still leaves us with the fact that unless you're suicidal or a gangbanger, you're 15 times more likely to get killed by a car than by a gun down there
Talk all you want about the gun culture down there, statistically speaking, it's still a non factor when it comes to deaths of law-abiding citizens.. As for the criminals, they are statistically more likely to get shanked to death in prison than shot to death while walking around free.
P.S. I mostly (not completely) disagree with sonny's armed=polite assertion - Going back to the gangbangers - they sure aren't polite to each other and they're more likely to be armed than law-abiding citizens. Many warrior castes will develop certain rules of courtesy to demonstrate to their power base that they won't hurt them but will hurt anyone threatening them. That's how they maintain their privileged status.
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Good luck getting rid of guns in the US they are one of the major gun manufacturers in the world. That add billions in their economy. And we all know those guns will get filtered thru the border.
What i'm concerned is, would i want to be without a gun if every maniac has one? Unless they can remove arms from criminals & psychos i see bad things happening to law abiding citizens. I'm referring to the US here
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What i'm concerned is, would i want to be without a gun if every maniac has one? Unless they can remove arms from criminals & psychos i see bad things happening to law abiding citizens. I'm referring to the US here
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9-4? Try again. While school is in session they are usually about 8 hrs a day, then test time or report card time or parent teacher time and that jumps to 10 to 14 hrs a day.
While IMO they are well compensated for the job they do, it is by no means a walk in the park.
When i ride with my buddy in S.C.,he carries a 9mm berreta in his pocket everywhere we go except bars.(then it goes in the saddlebag) I asked him why he carries,and his answer was,"because it makes everyone very polite".Every trailer in his park in the mountains was owned by folks with cwp permits.Really bizarre from our point of view.I talked my bud into posing for this pic back at his home in Spartanburg.The Berreta is his pocket weapon,the 38 goes in his wifes purse,and the 45 ruhger is a shiney toy.All 3 have hollow points.
Funny if one of those went off in his pants.
The stats can be skewed either way but the bottom line is that if you don't like the job go find something else, like driving a cab. According to my accountant who does a lot of teacher tax returns the older ones are happy with the pay but the younger ones are the militants.
More, more, more. I want more.
OK Then do more.
http://nfa.ca/resource-items/number-firearms-and-firearms-owners-canada
I hate to jump on the parents of this kid, but as a responsible firearm owner it was their job to have their firearms secured in a way that wouldn't allow this to happen.
A combo trigger lock is what, 9 dollars?
...and this is where the "arm everyone" argument goes in the crapper. People are largely stupid. You can say they "should" take certain precautions as much as you want. But when it's your wife or kid who, God forbid, gets hit by an accidental shot, your attitude changes fast.
2 months off?? Plus Christmas, plus March Break, plus sick days etc etc
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