Sammy Yatim's friend shot and killed by police

inreb said:
I might be inclined to take my chances with the alley thief because he doesn't have the false moral high ground or blue wall to lean on. But your point is taken.
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But he really wants your possession & has no moral responsibility to not shoot you
 
RockerGuy said:
But he really wants your possession & has no moral responsibility to not shoot you
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But he's looking at consequences if he does and they aren't paid time off work.
 
ninjanut said:
I just read the title of this thread to see how the view is skewed already. Does his friendship with Sammy have anything to do with being shot?
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Given that the circumstances of this one aren't really known, it's hard to say.

The odds of two people who know each other both being shot by police would be exceptionally, unbelievably low if both were completely random occurrences.

If they both shared a gangsta tough-guy attitude towards the cops and an inclination to get in trouble, it could kinda tilt the odds.
 
I dont know whos at fault here and dont wanna jump on the cops but i will say this. If in the case of Sammy Yatim with videos from all angles, showing a murder in cold blood, they didn't give him a second degree murder, what chances are there that with no video they actually indict this cop. No chance in hell!
Maybe the kid asked for it but even if he didn't with no evidance aganist the cop, he will walk like a stroll in the park!
 
Brian P said:
Given that the circumstances of this one aren't really known, it's hard to say.

The odds of two people who know each other both being shot by police would be exceptionally, unbelievably low if both were completely random occurrences.

If they both shared a gangsta tough-guy attitude towards the cops and an inclination to get in trouble, it could kinda tilt the odds.
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Since the police were called in both cases, I would think the similarity is that they both put themselves in a bad position to be injured or killed. If you do not have the police being called about your behaviour, you should have no fear of being shot. If you are constantly at odds with the laws of this country, all bets are off.
 
ninjanut said:
I just read the title of this thread to see how the view is skewed already. Does his friendship with Sammy have anything to do with being shot?
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The view isn't skewed already by this title - only a readers interpretation.
There are no value judgements associated with the title - it merely states facts and is rather improbable as Brian noted.
 
He must have had other friends. No mention of them in title. Hmm.
 
Things are improving. They only shot him twice. Didn't even taze him afterwards.
 
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FullMotoJacket said:
Things are improving. They only shot him twice. Didn't even taze him afterwards.
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Price of ammo going up, just like everything in this country. No need for 9 rounds
 
Love how after seeing the clear videos on Sammy and the cop murdering him for absolutely no reason, and the cop still getting away with it, people still have such an absolute faith in this system.
Given the history of police shootings, i would seriously question these killings.
And just because someone gets into a fight doesnt mean he is asking for or deserrves to be shot. How many of us have been in fights in our lives? Would you accept you or your loved ones being shot because they got into a fight?
This is for those people who said he was asking for it in the previous comments.
 
ashkan said:
the usual rhetoric.
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I (almost) wish Turbo-dish wasn't banned just for the sheer entertainment value of the Thunderdome sessions the two of you would have.
 
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ashkan said:
Love how after seeing the clear videos on Sammy and the cop murdering him for absolutely no reason, and the cop still getting away with it, people still have such an absolute faith in this system.
Given the history of police shootings, i would seriously question these killings.
And just because someone gets into a fight doesnt mean he is asking for or deserrves to be shot. How many of us have been in fights in our lives? Would you accept you or your loved ones being shot because they got into a fight?
This is for those people who said he was asking for it in the previous comments.
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I don't have faith in the system. Among many other problems, the SIU is broken.

BUT.

We more-or-less saw what happened that led to the Sammy Yatim shooting. We don't know what led to this one. But still ... You don't get randomly shot by the cops for walking down the street minding your own business. Something must have happened.
 
Brian P said:
I don't have faith in the system. Among many other problems, the SIU is broken.

BUT.

We more-or-less saw what happened that led to the Sammy Yatim shooting. We don't know what led to this one. But still ... You don't get randomly shot by the cops for walking down the street minding your own business. Something must have happened.
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uhm can someone insert the video of cop in US that rolled up and started shooting and killed the teenager running away as he was being shot at...or you get choked to death (guy selling cigs)
 
Some more info on this incident just got released:
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2...d-real-or-replica-gun-says-police-source.html

Toronto police officers from the force’s tactical unit negotiated with Alex Wettlaufer for at least 15 minutes before firing their weapons, killing the young man who a police source says was armed with either a real or replica gun.

Wettlaufer, 21, died after three Toronto police officers fired their weapons late Sunday night in a darkened ravine in a North York park near the Leslie subway station.

The man’s grieving family has said Wettlaufer was not armed at the time of the shooting, and was holding his cellphone and speaking to his mother in the moments right before he was shot.

But a police source with knowledge of the investigation says Wettlaufer was carrying a gun, though it is not yet clear if it was real or a replica.

The source spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation into the fatal shooting has been taken over by the province’s Special Investigations Unit, the civilian agency that probes deaths involving police. Police are legally not allowed to release information about the incident while the SIU is investigating.

The SIU, meanwhile, says it cannot confirm that Wettlaufer was armed because the investigation is ongoing. Information about whether the young man was armed may not be provided until the probe is completed, a process that typically takes several months or up to a year.

Toronto officers were first called around 11:15 p.m. after reports of a fight between two men at the Leslie subway station, near Leslie St. and Sheppard Ave. E. Toronto police tweeted at the time that one of them had a gun.

According to investigators, one of the men fled to the park across the street, where there was a confrontation with Toronto police. Soon after, members of the Emergency Task Force (ETF), a specially trained tactical unit called in for critical situations including when someone is armed, arrived to begin negotiations with Wettlaufer.

ETF officers are trained in negotiation, and generally, a negotiator will wear a recording device to capture audio, though it’s not clear if that occurred in this case.

The police source said the officers attempted for at least 15 minutes to speak with Wettlaufer — “an ongoing, prolonged negotiation.” Three officers then fired their weapons, though officials have not yet released how many times Wettlaufer was shot.

Court documents show Wettlaufer was facing three criminal charges at the time of his death, dating back to an October 2014 incident. Alongside three other accused, Wettlaufer faced one of robbery for allegedly stealing a cellphone and one count of assault causing bodily harm, for allegedly attacking two people.

Wettlaufer alone was charged with the unauthorized possession of a knife that opens through the use of centrifugal force — a weapon that requires a licence.

All of the charges against Wettlaufer were before the court at the time of his death.
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They put themselves into harms way for 15 solid minutes? That's a lot of protecting and serving. Bravery medals all around for sure.
 
If only there was a magical way to have an impartial record of events to answer the question of 'what happened'. (sarcasm)

I wonder what the cost of body cameras would be compared to the cost of constantly having to investigate officer/civilian interactions.
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