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Running.. ugghh

caboose483 said:
Binbrook duathlon: 18th out 75.

My runs sucked. 5:08/km for both of them. Normally in a du I'll be in the 4:45-4:50/km range so I lost a fair bit of time there over 10km. The ride went well though, 7th fastest overall and 35.5km/hr average over 30km.



Vibram makes the soles for both shoes. Other than the individual toes on the 5 fingers, they are basically the same shoe so I'm not sure what you're basing your opinion on.
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Big difference during hiking, running on dirt/gravel, rough/moderatly rough terrain - finders are moving way more and it is as close as you will get to barefoot. All movements become more natural and if I may put it this way - I get way more feedback from the road/trail? That's why I like them more
 
Depends what you call competitive. 20 minutes 5k is a very respectable time for us average joes. As with anything, at the beginning there are some easy to have gains: lose weight and getting your pacing right. If you haven't run in a while, chances are you suck at pacing your effort optimally for a 5k. It should feel very comfortable for the first 2k, the next 2k should feel like work and the last k should suck ***. If you paced it right, you should be completely spent at the end (vomiting and dizziness are not uncommon). The difference between 22:30 and 17:30 (3:30/k) is MASSIVE. Unless you are a natural (or ran in the past with good results), expect to put in ALOT of work to get down to that time. Age also matters, so it helps if you are young. Younger bodies take the abuse better :).
 
I'm not a big fan of barefoot running. Most people just don't run enough or run at inappropriate paces for them and then wonder why they got hurt. I'm sure PTs love the barefoot running... keeps the business flowing in. Personally I'll take racing flats over vibrams any day.
 
You'd be surprised how similar the training for a half/10k/5k is. The differences are mostly in the finishing touches.
 
Where's a good place to buy vibrams? Or at the very least, what should I be expecting to pay for them when I go looking? I want to go camping with them & use them as my workout shoes for leg exercises.

On a related note...the Spartan race was this weekend and I did surprisingly well without training for it (I ran that one time I told you guys about like 3 weeks ago, then job transitioning got the best of me until the race). My buddy thinks we probably could've finished top 10 in our heat if we started at the front of the pack and now I'm beating myself up 'cause we didn't.

After having that much fun, I'm seriously considering the tough mudder now
 
knowledge said:
On a related note...the Spartan race was this weekend and I did surprisingly well without training for it (I ran that one time I told you guys about like 3 weeks ago, then job transitioning got the best of me until the race). My buddy thinks we probably could've finished top 10 in our heat if we started at the front of the pack and now I'm beating myself up 'cause we didn't.

After having that much fun, I'm seriously considering the tough mudder now
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What was your time? I finished 10th in my heat (1PM) and 152 overall out of 4600. Next year, Im going to register for the first heat so that Im not running into stragglers from the heat ahead of me, which cost me a couple of minutes from standing around waiting for people ahead of me to get through the obstacles. Shaving just 5 minutes would have put me in 25th overall.

Im going to be at the tough mudder.
 
mma01 said:
What was your time? I finished 10th in my heat (1PM) and 152 overall out of 4600. Next year, Im going to register for the first heat so that Im not running into stragglers from the heat ahead of me, which cost me a couple of minutes from standing around waiting for people ahead of me to get through the obstacles. Shaving just 5 minutes would have put me in 25th overall.

Im going to be at the tough mudder.
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Terrible...778/5000-something & 54 minutes (you might wanna re-check your results 'cause there were 7000 registered to run, so I'd imagine that it'll take about a week for the stats to be finalized). I lost a good 10 minutes waiting in line for the final obstacles. I was actually getting really annoyed with the waiting...especially in the beginning. Minutes from the start because there was no room to pass. A minute because the guy in front of me got stuck in front of the barbed wire.

But yeah, first heat is definitely where you want to be - I picked the 1030 heat 'cause it was the earliest available one when I registered. I can only imagine how torn up and muddy the course would've been for the later heats

It was actually your warrior dash video last year that got me into this stuff. Thanks for that
 
55 min is pretty good considering all the waiting around. Starting at the front is the way to go - just keep in mind a) the guy with the fire hose comes out a minute before the start and aims directly at your face or other, um, vulnerable regions while standing 6 ft away and b) you reallly have to make sure you are fully warmed up because its a full out sprint uphill for the first km as everyone jockeys for position before the trail narrows.

knowledge said:
Terrible...778/5000-something & 54 minutes (you might wanna re-check your results 'cause there were 7000 registered to run, so I'd imagine that it'll take about a week for the stats to be finalized). I lost a good 10 minutes waiting in line for the final obstacles. I was actually getting really annoyed with the waiting...especially in the beginning. Minutes from the start because there was no room to pass. A minute because the guy in front of me got stuck in front of the barbed wire.

But yeah, first heat is definitely where you want to be - I picked the 1030 heat 'cause it was the earliest available one when I registered. I can only imagine how torn up and muddy the course would've been for the later heats

It was actually your warrior dash video last year that got me into this stuff. Thanks for that
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mma01 said:
55 min is pretty good considering all the waiting around. Starting at the front is the way to go - just keep in mind a) the guy with the fire hose comes out a minute before the start and aims directly at your face or other, um, vulnerable regions while standing 6 ft away and b) you reallly have to make sure you are fully warmed up because its a full out sprint uphill for the first km as everyone jockeys for position before the trail narrows.
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After thinking about it, I'm actually thinking the first heat isn't necessarily where you want to be. Unless you're a podium finisher, you'll be waiting on someone (if you're competitive). I think it would be a better strategy to find a heat that's pretty early, but early enough where you're in the front throughout the whole race and people are waiting on you. Or first heat & you're the slowest one there so everyone's long gone haha.

Have you ever thought about completing the trifecta? I'd love to find an event where there's more obstacles than running...or at least with a more even ratio. I'm pretty hooked on these events now but the only thing keeping me from doing the tough mudder and any longer distances is that I'd lose more muscle and size than I'd like just to train for them.
 
Im definitely not a super fast runner by any means but I was getting held up quite a bit by the slower people in the heat that started 30 minutes before me. Most of the top times were achieved by ppl starting at the 9AM heat. I think I could have gotten down to high 30 min's in heat 1.

By trifecta, do you mean the spartan, warrior and tough mudder? If so, yes - Im doing them all this year. The warrior probably has the least amount of running relative to obstacles. The tough mudder has the most interesting/challenging looking obstacles, but its a lot of running heheh. I think im similar to you in that i like the obstacles more than the running. Im going to be building some "ninja warrior" type obstacles to train on in my backyard lol (i.e. salmon ladder)

knowledge said:
After thinking about it, I'm actually thinking the first heat isn't necessarily where you want to be. Unless you're a podium finisher, you'll be waiting on someone (if you're competitive). I think it would be a better strategy to find a heat that's pretty early, but early enough where you're in the front throughout the whole race and people are waiting on you. Or first heat & you're the slowest one there so everyone's long gone haha.

Have you ever thought about completing the trifecta? I'd love to find an event where there's more obstacles than running...or at least with a more even ratio. I'm pretty hooked on these events now but the only thing keeping me from doing the tough mudder and any longer distances is that I'd lose more muscle and size than I'd like just to train for them.
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mma01 said:
Im definitely not a super fast runner by any means but I was getting held up quite a bit by the slower people in the heat that started 30 minutes before me. Most of the top times were achieved by ppl starting at the 9AM heat. I think I could have gotten down to high 30 min's in heat 1.

By trifecta, do you mean the spartan, warrior and tough mudder? If so, yes - Im doing them all this year. The warrior probably has the least amount of running relative to obstacles. The tough mudder has the most interesting/challenging looking obstacles, but its a lot of running heheh. I think im similar to you in that i like the obstacles more than the running. Im going to be building some "ninja warrior" type obstacles to train on in my backyard lol (i.e. salmon ladder)
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The guy that's ranked first did it in 35 minutes...if we assume he ran the 5k in low-20-something minutes, that's less than a minute for each obstacle!

The Trifecta includesthe other levels of the runs. I actually never knew about it until yesterday. It's too bad, because the beast or super spartan (can't remember which one) race is next weekend in Ottawa, so that's VERY doable. I'm not sure I'd consider dishing out the coin to fly to the states just to run.
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What is a Spartan Sprint? 3+ MILES / 15+ OBSTACLES
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What is a Super Spartan? 8+ MILES / 20+ OBSTACLES
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What is The Spartan Beast? 12+ MILES / 25+ OBSTACLES
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What the #$%! is The Death Race?
No clue what the death race is, but it sounds awful. hahaha

Honestly, if you work out regularly, I don't think the obstacles are a problem. One of the guys I ran with runs every day and he finished 15 minutes after me 'cause of the obstacles. After waiting for the barbed wire, we were flying past the people climbing the wall, the hay stacks, ramps, etc. I sort of wish someone caught it on video 'cause it probably looked pretty badass lol. We must've finished that last stretch in under 25 seconds :S

But having a small obstacle course in your background sounds like good fun. That's not a bad idea...
 
knowledge said:
The guy that's ranked first did it in 35 minutes...if we assume he ran the 5k in low-20-something minutes, that's less than a minute for each obstacle!
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I got confirmation from the organizers that they changed the course layout last minute - it was actually 7k, not 5k as advertised on the website.
 
I saw George Bush run the race too. See # 18 lol.
Post pic of medal dude
 
I'll take a pic later this aft!

Oh, I was 14th overall (Tim Toldnes) for those who don't know thats me.
 
Jinniwind said:
ummm... too much running is bad for your knees...:sad1:
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I was speaking to a lady once and I told her I road-run for cardio, she told me the same. I don't get it. I don't do hour runs but, I've yet to hear anybody complaining about their knees. I can see that if the person is a bit overweight.
 
RockerGuy said:
I was speaking to a lady once and I told her I road-run for cardio, she told me the same. I don't get it. I don't do hour runs but, I've yet to hear anybody complaining about their knees. I can see that if the person is a bit overweight.
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I have heard it from various sources, some friends and also my personal trainer. I'm by no means an expert, but here's my $0.02.

I think it's probably more of a long term effect instead of some injury that you could feel right away or within 2 years. For cardio, my PT always recomended steppers instead of treadmills. I think it's all about the motions and pressure that you put on your knees. On a stepper, your feet are always on the machine, hence the pressure is a constant force equivalent to your weight, and the motion of your knees are smoother. But if you run, you are putting all your weight plus a bit of gravity on one knee each time, and the motion is sort of "pounding" instead of a perfect smooth cirlcling motion. That's all I can think of for now. I'm meeting up with my PT again tonight, and I will ask him for more details.

I don't think running is bad in general, it's just that too much running might not be the best, and if you are not training for running competitions, there could be a better alternative for you to do cardio, like steppers or even cycling (those spinning classes offered by gyms).
 
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