KarGo
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True fighter for people's rights.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21679053
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-21679053
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RIP Hugo Chavez
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The man seemed to be taking care of his country.
I have recently learned that when the US labels someone crazy that perhaps I should look more closely myself.
We are told daily that Iran and North Korea are crazy.
An interesting observation someone shared with me. They said that America is so worried about nuclear weapons win the wrong hands etc...the Russians are crazy and in the 50's we were going to be nuked by the Russians.
Yet, to date the only country to drop not one but two bombs on another country (Japan) was the US.
Hmmm so who is crazy again?
I have recently learned that when the US labels someone crazy that perhaps I should look more closely myself.
We are told daily that Iran and North Korea are crazy.
An interesting observation someone shared with me. They said that America is so worried about nuclear weapons win the wrong hands etc...the Russians are crazy and in the 50's we were going to be nuked by the Russians.
Yet, to date the only country to drop not one but two bombs on another country (Japan) was the US.
Hmmm so who is crazy again?
KarGo
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I truly hate the US government and their propaganda media to hate anyone who opposes them. If Venezuela had taken over the Oil industry, Chavez would have turned out like Saddam Hussain or Gaddafi. I think Ahmadinejad is great, hopefully the US doesn't put too many sanctions on Iran.
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awyala
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They also occidentally dropped one on themselves and four on Spain!
http://voices.yahoo.com/when-air-force-accidentally-dropped-atomic-705275.html
http://rense.com/general45/drop.htm
They also changed their minds on nuclear sanctions on India and them suddenly began supplying them nuclear tech in 2005 to create a bulwark against a rising China.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.–India_Civil_Nuclear_Agreement
http://www.newamericancentury.org/globalmay2098.htm
Lesson here? America switches allegiances not on principle but on self promotion and preservation of "interests". Evil means nothing to them, it is a catch phrase to sling at whomever they don't agree with at the time. Friends become arch enemies, and enemies become friends. They have no scruples.
Fact is, any nation that disagrees with the US and employs conventional and or vastly inferior weaponry will be laid flat in a barrage of civilian carpet bombings, while any nation who develops the Nuke is left at peace (North Korea post Korean war, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, South Africa- despite apartheid, and so on.)
For the sake of self preservation it is in Iran's self interest to develop a nuke to deter the open aggression the US laid out on Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, and soft power on the Gulf States, Sudan, Mali, Syria, Arabia, Bahrain, etc.
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You know nothing like most America haters. They have lots of oil..ever heard of citgo?? Man I'm tired of moron American conspiracy theorists who have no information.
awyala
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The oil reserves found in Venezuela is relatively new and the US has exercised a great deal of pressure because of it through the Columbian proxies. The problem is that the US has traditionally seen Latin America as easy to pressure and manipulate with soft power and does not have the ability to commit force to the region to submit the likes of Chavez.
But we all recall Pinochet in Chile....that was no conspiracy and ventured into hard-power territory.
Koval_68
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"Originally posted by KarGo:
I truly hate the US government and their propaganda media to hate anyone who opposes them. If Venezuela had Oil, Chavez would have turned out like Saddam Hussain or Gaddafi. I think Ahmadinejad is great, hopefully the US doesn't put too many sanctions on Iran.
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
I truly hate the US government and their propaganda media to hate anyone who opposes them. If Venezuela had Oil, Chavez would have turned out like Saddam Hussain or Gaddafi. I think Ahmadinejad is great, hopefully the US doesn't put too many sanctions on Iran.
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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awyala
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He is not that far off....note the rise in anti Chavez rhetoric corresponds with the discovered oil reserves in Venezuela circa 2006! The US just does not have their military hooks embedded in the region to wage a hard-war at the moment. Well they do have their Columbian proxy and CIA ops!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Venezuela
Had it not been for the late discovery of oil, the US would have been all over whoever ruled Venezuela, if oil was discovered 30 years ago or around 1935 as it had been in Arabia. Hell they used hard-power over bananas!!!!! Give it time, they will eventually suffer a few bloody noses to the Chinese and employ a western hemispherical hard power in 50 years, withdrawing their armies from lost battlefields to bully the Latin people around in a quasi isolationist return to their roots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars
Wars over fruit you say?!?! Oh that's cooky conspiracy talk!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Venezuela
Had it not been for the late discovery of oil, the US would have been all over whoever ruled Venezuela, if oil was discovered 30 years ago or around 1935 as it had been in Arabia. Hell they used hard-power over bananas!!!!! Give it time, they will eventually suffer a few bloody noses to the Chinese and employ a western hemispherical hard power in 50 years, withdrawing their armies from lost battlefields to bully the Latin people around in a quasi isolationist return to their roots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars
Wars over fruit you say?!?! Oh that's cooky conspiracy talk!
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KarGo
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I should of phrased it better but, yes Venezuela does have oil. However, it legally nationalized its oil industry whereas Iraq Just took the oil fields back from the foreign companies.
Remember Kony 2012? Do you really think US would give 2 ***** about kony kidnapping kids in Uganda? Oh somehow they magically found oil deposits months later. If there is oil, US finds a peace keeping mission to take over the country.
awyala
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Ahem ahem, Darfour! Ahem!
That one slipped under a lot of radars. People forget the southern Annimist quasi Christians are the ones that kicked them out of Sudan while the US and Canada supported the North's violent supression. When the US figured they could not qwell the south of Sudan, they suddenly switched to support the South's independence to then secure the oil, framing the North as oppressive and brutal in Darfour, meanwhile Chad and Niger do the exact same thing, and while the US supported the Kartoum government for years before that!
awyala
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PS, any of your pick up the irony of a store like banada republic? Or did y'all think it was some cute little playful smart casual vibe? Most people are too stupid to know actual history, let alone detect a predicable pattern.
"Keep shopping, don't let the terrorists win" - Bush
More precisely - "We cannot let the terrorists achieve the objective of frightening our nation to the point where we don't -- where we don't conduct business, where people don't shop"
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/bush911e.html
awyala
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Look at the spike in 2006
Sorry, what spike?
Venezuela has been supplying oil & gas to latin America & the Caribbean for a while now. The price of gas there is cheaper than water
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Let me start by saying that I am Venezuelan. Also my sister in law is second to the consul of Venezuela (Somewhere in the states, not saying where) and her sister (my sister in law) was the previous Venezuelan Attorney General. The only reason I am saying this is to demonstrate that if anyone, I should be bias in favor of Chavez
But I am not
If you know the History, you would know that he changed the constitution so he could be perpetually elected as president. He also change the schools curriculum to a not socialist one but a communist one
He changed the countries written History to accommodate to his interpretation to what for us was sacred
Now I am not even getting into the economical disaster he drove the country into
The countless assassinations of people that wen't against him
Assassinations of students protesting on the streets against his government
The fact that he closed radio and tv stations that opposed him
The deep depreciation of the Bolivar (our currency)
Yes he gave money to the very poor but destroyed the middle class and if you understand economics a country can not strive without a middle class
on and on
Ask my Venezuelan daughter why did she just move to Canada - She had 3 attempts of kidnapping against her on the past 5 years
Unlike you and me, she could not go for a walk on the street and sit down on a coffee shop because it was too dangerous
But hey, unlike in Venezuela, you are entitled to voice your opinion
Maybe he was at the beginning, when he failed an attempt to overthrow the corrupt government and took responsibility by going to jail until the next president pardon him, only to run for elections and become the president of a new party.
He did great things on his first period, but then the power and corruption went to his head.
Correction, the big oil boom was in the 50's but oil was discovered there long before
But I am not
If you know the History, you would know that he changed the constitution so he could be perpetually elected as president. He also change the schools curriculum to a not socialist one but a communist one
He changed the countries written History to accommodate to his interpretation to what for us was sacred
Now I am not even getting into the economical disaster he drove the country into
The countless assassinations of people that wen't against him
Assassinations of students protesting on the streets against his government
The fact that he closed radio and tv stations that opposed him
The deep depreciation of the Bolivar (our currency)
Yes he gave money to the very poor but destroyed the middle class and if you understand economics a country can not strive without a middle class
on and on
Ask my Venezuelan daughter why did she just move to Canada - She had 3 attempts of kidnapping against her on the past 5 years
Unlike you and me, she could not go for a walk on the street and sit down on a coffee shop because it was too dangerous
But hey, unlike in Venezuela, you are entitled to voice your opinion
Maybe he was at the beginning, when he failed an attempt to overthrow the corrupt government and took responsibility by going to jail until the next president pardon him, only to run for elections and become the president of a new party.
He did great things on his first period, but then the power and corruption went to his head.
Key word "seemed"
Venezuela has had oil since the late 50's, the entire economy runs on oil.
Correction, the big oil boom was in the 50's but oil was discovered there long before
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It seems you are speaking more about crime than governing.
Did he invade a country for no reason?
Did he kill his people?
How do we know some of the issues we hear about is not just the good ole US of A and the CIA trying to destabilize the country?
From what I have read Chavez moved more of his people out of poverty and into the middle class.
No doubt power can corrupt. Look at the Catholic church this week and the Pope "stepping down"
Did he invade a country for no reason?
Did he kill his people?
How do we know some of the issues we hear about is not just the good ole US of A and the CIA trying to destabilize the country?
From what I have read Chavez moved more of his people out of poverty and into the middle class.
No doubt power can corrupt. Look at the Catholic church this week and the Pope "stepping down"
awyala
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Refer to post #8
Can you quote where did you get those facts from?
I did all my high-school and university schooling in Venezuela and trust me you are wrong
"In the first half of the 20th century, US oil companies were heavily involved in Venezuela, initially interested only in purchasing concessions.[SUP][66][/SUP] In 1943 a new government introduced a 50/50 split in profits between the government and the oil industry. In 1960, with a newly installed democratic government, Hydrocarbons Minister Juan Pablo Pérez Alfonso led the creation of OPEC, the consortium of oil-producing countries aiming to support the price of oil.[SUP][67]"[/SUP]
I am talking about governing but correct me if I am wrong, isn't the economy tied to the government policies and direction and isn't increase in crime tied to the economy or said country?
I don't see how do you have a great government when the crime rate is expediently increasing? maybe you can explain me that one - However I believe I spoke a lot more than just about crime
And yes he did Kill his people
And no, he didn't move anyone into the middle class, please don't confuse give government allowances to the very poor for moving people into the middle class -Far from it
And no, I am not going by what I hear on CNN - My best friends still live there, my Daughter did until a few months ago. Trust me if anyone is good at managing propaganda that was Chavez
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Would you prefer a propped up Dictator put in place by the US to do their bidding?
