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So......anyone see any good movies lately?

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Although I get what you were trying to do.
 
I believe RTW is the thin edge of the wedge. I think of it more as the right to work for less.
Or more people working. Removing the overburden of the union improves productivity, reduces costs and doesn’t appear to erode wages.

My shop pays workers the same as they make at local union shops. Their hourly wage is lower but their take home pay is the same.

There is no us and them, management and labour get the same benefits, access to training and the opportunity to move thru the organization. we are a lot more efficient, have fewer sick days, and our team gets better benefits. Our average tenure is 20 years, so it seem to work for everyone.
 
MM I agree that not all places need unions. Like yours there's lots of great non union shops. There are lots (some?) of unions that end up being counter productive. I just don't believe all people who run a business will do it as ethically as at your shop. And unions are there to protect those people
 
There’s a thread for that!

TV shows currently watching

Although I get what you were trying to do.
There’s also a movie specific thread!
 
MM I agree that not all places need unions. Like yours there's lots of great non union shops. There are lots (some?) of unions that end up being counter productive. I just don't believe all people who run a business will do it as ethically as at your shop. And unions are there to protect those people
Maybe depends on type of business. If we don't treat our employee's well, we won't have any. Plus it's the right thing to do.

There are also some employees that no matter what you do for them, they will never be content. They do well in unions as they fit in. To them, work is the enemy. They work because, like the rest of us, they have to. Difference is they recent it throughout their whole career.

Can't imagine going through life like that. Sad.
 
yeah unions are great .... striking during a pandemic for a raise ...great group of “ heroes” F off

Unifor says its bargaining committee is seeking an exemption to Ontario's law capping salaries for public employees.



 
yeah unions are great .... striking during a pandemic for a raise ...great group of “ heroes” F off

Unifor says its bargaining committee is seeking an exemption to Ontario's law capping salaries for public employees.



Bills like Bill 124 have been struck down in other provinces . It is not legal . How do you bargain . When the the person that you are bargaining with can pass laws as to what you can get . Everyone complains about strikes . But many government workers took it dry for years . Zero percent wages or or one percent . That is not even cost of living .
 
Bills like Bill 124 have been struck down in other provinces . It is not legal . How do you bargain . When the the person that you are bargaining with can pass laws as to what you can get . Everyone complains about strikes . But many government workers took it dry for years . Zero percent wages or or one percent . That is not even cost of living .
When the total comp is well above the private sector and increases faster than the private sector and they make up >30% of the workforce, what's your suggestion for covering the bill? Continuing to push for more just accelerates the collapse.
 
Bills like Bill 124 have been struck down in other provinces . It is not legal . How do you bargain . When the the person that you are bargaining with can pass laws as to what you can get . Everyone complains about strikes . But many government workers took it dry for years . Zero percent wages or or one percent . That is not even cost of living .
Get real please ...on top of guaranteed jobs and tax payer funded pensions etc. They aren’t suffering in any way

 
Get real please ...on top of guaranteed jobs and tax payer funded pensions etc. They aren’t suffering in any way

How would you like no raise for 4 to 5 years ? 6.64% pay raise for three years is just cost of living . I bet it won't even cover that once inflation starts in Canada . The only reason they got the raise . Is because there is an election around the corner .
 
How would you like no raise for 4 to 5 years ? 6.64% pay raise for three years is just cost of living . I bet it won't even cover that once inflation starts in Canada . The only reason they got the raise . Is because there is an election around the corner .

They are higher paid than the private sector by a lot already , get many perks and pensions that private sector doesn’t get. If your pay is already much higher than industry standard why should you get a raise you’re already above everybody else
 
They are higher paid than the private sector by a lot already , get many perks and pensions that private sector doesn’t get. If your pay is already much higher than industry standard why should you get a raise you’re already above everybody else
Getting 2% is not a raise . It is just keeping what you have when you factor inflation .

 
Getting 2% is not a raise . It is just keeping what you have when you factor inflation .

Study after study shows that public sector worker pay is 10% - 20% higher than private sector worker pay for the same type job. And the total compensation gap does not stop there. Public Sector workers all have defined benefit pension plans whereas the average private sector worker does not even have a pension.
So you’re 10 to 20% higher than private sector but you still need constant raises? Until what? Every government employee is making $1 million a year. Jobs pay what they pay it doesn’t matter how long you’ve been working there or how many raises you have got or have not got you can’t keep getting raises indefinitely. And you don’t deserve them if you were already 10 to 20% higher than the private sector with many perks that the private sector does not have.
You’re not comparing apples to apples. If you’re paid 50,000 for the same job that I’m paid 60 to 70,000 for I don’t deserve or need a raise all the time. They are already way ahead of the game
 
Study after study shows that public sector worker pay is 10% - 20% higher than private sector worker pay for the same type job. And the total compensation gap does not stop there. Public Sector workers all have defined benefit pension plans whereas the average private sector worker does not even have a pension.
So you’re 10 to 20% higher than private sector but you still need constant raises? Until what? Every government employee is making $1 million a year. Jobs pay what they pay it doesn’t matter how long you’ve been working there or how many raises you have got or have not got you can’t keep getting raises indefinitely. And you don’t deserve them if you were already 10 to 20% higher than the private sector with many perks that the private sector does not have.
You’re not comparing apples to apples. If you’re paid 50,000 for the same job that I’m paid 60 to 70,000 for I don’t deserve or need a raise all the time. They are already way ahead of the game
Show me the proof of your 20% .

If you get zero raise . It is like losing 2.2% a year . Everything goes up . If you do not get inflation it is like taking a pay cut .
 

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