Really? Highbeams during the day???

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Rob MacLennan said:
Emergency vehicle lights are alternating, of generally lesser power, of unusual colouration, and are not aimed in such a way that they directly impact the eyes of those around them. They are also accompanied by a siren, of specific volume, sound, and modulation, that is generally even more noticeable than are the lights.
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Too bad we can't strap modulating LEDs/lights all over our bikes. ;)

Less chance of becoming victims of Smidsy's.
http://www.southglos.gov.uk/NR/exeres/0041A942-DF3A-4921-BD43-9BD4C634DE25

I agree there are better ways of getting noticed but I do not agree that the use of Highbeams during the day will not get you noticed. Cause it does.

Infact, a busy residential street I often ride through usually has cars parked on either side of the road. The road curves left and right. There are many driveways where cars can (and they often do) poke out infront of you, and visabilty is generally poor.

Night or day I will turn on my Highbeams. Better chance that someone will see me or the light being thrown ahead.

(granted I will be courteous enough to go to low beam if an oncoming car appears)
 
Can't believe people are complaining about high beams during the day.
What happens to you people when those cagers with chrome side mirrors/bumpers pass by, get an uncontrollable seizure?
 
FitzR6 said:
Alot of people in here think that they own the road. You have a CHOICE whether to stay in front of someone with their high beams on. If you CHOOSE to ride in front of them, it's your CHOICE and no one else's!
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You CHOOSE to own property, if you CHOOSE to own property and it gets stolen, it's your CHOICE and no one else's!
You CHOOSE to go out in public, if you CHOOSE to go out in public and you get raped, it's your CHOICE and no one else's!

Flawless logic captain. You can't write off someone else's poor decisions by saying you have a choice in the matter. I could just as easily say it's my right to drive without being blinded by your ****ing chinese HID kit.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
"...when lighted lamps are required...", for motorcycles made after January of 1970, is ALWAYS.
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Rob MacLennan said:
Someone already made the claim that it's legal, then posted the section intending to prove that it was. I showed why it isn't.
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Not to call you out Rob, but you're actually misinterpreting what "When lighted lamps are required". As it states: When on a highway at any time when lighted lamps are required to be displayed on vehicles. You do not require to have your lighted lamps displayed during daylight hours, if you did any vehicle made before the regulation of DRL's would be illegal to sell or transfer as they would be deemed "Unfit". This was relayed to me by a friend who is in law enforcement.
 
slowbird said:
Too bad we can't strap modulating LEDs/lights all over our bikes. ;)

Less chance of becoming victims of Smidsy's.
http://www.southglos.gov.uk/NR/exeres/0041A942-DF3A-4921-BD43-9BD4C634DE25

I agree there are better ways of getting noticed but I do not agree that the use of Highbeams during the day will not get you noticed. Cause it does.
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Night or day I will turn on my Highbeams. Better chance that someone will see me or the light being thrown ahead.

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What is lost on most motorcyclists is that it isn't just about being seen, but rather having the driver understand that you are on a motorcycle that is heading on a possible collision course with the Car.

It might seem like you have accomplished your mission if someone can see your light away a mile away, however crashes don't happen from a mile away but from a short distance and tend to happen very quickly. In the time that a car is going to pull out in front of you the brain of the driver needs to sort out all the different things in its field of view and tell the driver what he/she needs to be aware of. There are generally many things going on at the same time. The driver's brain will sort through things it feels are threats and give those things priority to the consciousness of the driver. If you fail to register as a threat, the driver may very well not be aware you were there. It's been shown that the biggest issue is motion camouflage where the speed and distance of the bike are not seen as being threats since the bike is heading essentially straight towards the car. This means that you don't stand out as moving towards the car, and your relative small size means the brain may feel you are too far away to be a threat. Very bright lights in the driver's eyes tend to mask the information that you are a bike, that you are heading towards the car, and the speed you are travelling at. The driver isn't flagged that you are threat and will not likely be aware of your presence until you are so close that a crash is inevitable. (Most accounts of this type of crash show that the car starts to pull out, the bike may or may not take evasive action, and the driver slams on the brakes as they become aware of your presence. Generally it’s too late.

..Tom
 
Time to pony up guys and gals and buy a "modern" bike with daytime running lights.
 
Low Rider always has something to ***** about... could you imagine a life with his amount of stress???
 
V-Tom said:

What is lost on most motorcyclists is that it isn't just about being seen, but rather having the driver understand that you are on a motorcycle that is heading on a possible collision course with the Car.
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Yes. Just having bright enough lights to grab someone's attention isn't enough to solve all issues regarding motorsists pulling out infront of riders. But it does help reduce the risk of the small precentage of accidents that occur when someone looks quickly and doesn't see the rider at all.

I have been in my cage and have checked my driverside mirror to see if I can change lanes left and have noticed a bright white HID light back there. After some careful observation I have noticed it's a fast moving Bike and have stayed out of the way of them.

I know a bright headlight or Highbeams will not solve the issue where motorists are unable to judge distance/speed, and pull out infront of vehs, but it can, possibly help motorists see us in situations where they wouldn't have otherwise.

If being noticed wasnt a good thing then no one would wear High Visability Jackets. (yes, yes, I know they don't blind people like bright lights do. But you get the comparrison)

My point is: being noticed isn't a bad thing. There are just better ways of going about it.
 
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lol even hate the highbeams during the day, eh?

The guys running HIDs without projectors or using highbeams all the time at night are much worse.
 
slowbird said:
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I have been in my cage and have checked my driverside mirror to see if I can change lanes left and have noticed a bright white HID light back there. After some careful observation I have noticed it's a fast moving Bike and have stayed out of the way of them.

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The issue with nost of the SMIDSY type crashes is that things tend to happen quickly. It isn't that they can't take time to do careful observation, but human nature is that most people won't. They take a quick glance or two and the bike doesn't register. Bright lights in the eyes can make that sitatuion worse, and that is the most common type of crash when other vehicles are involved.

..Tom
 
V-Tom said:
Bright lights in the eyes can make that sitatuion worse, and that is the most common type of crash when other vehicles are involved.
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If there is light actually shining/illuminating the motorsists eyes then the vehicles are split seconds from impact and it's too late.

I'm talking moderate distances. The Bike can be seen cause of the different intensity/color (etc etc) of the headlight.

Just bloody admit that a brighter headlight will make a bike more noticebale. Jeeze people. :rolleyes:
 
slowbird said:
Too bad we can't strap modulating LEDs/lights all over our bikes. ;)

Less chance of becoming victims of Smidsy's.
http://www.southglos.gov.uk/NR/exeres/0041A942-DF3A-4921-BD43-9BD4C634DE25

I agree there are better ways of getting noticed but I do not agree that the use of Highbeams during the day will not get you noticed. Cause it does.

Infact, a busy residential street I often ride through usually has cars parked on either side of the road. The road curves left and right. There are many driveways where cars can (and they often do) poke out infront of you, and visabilty is generally poor.

Night or day I will turn on my Highbeams. Better chance that someone will see me or the light being thrown ahead.

(granted I will be courteous enough to go to low beam if an oncoming car appears)
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I think that you might be confusing being noticed with what you really want, which is to be SEEN.

silence said:
Not to call you out Rob, but you're actually misinterpreting what "When lighted lamps are required". As it states: When on a highway at any time when lighted lamps are required to be displayed on vehicles. You do not require to have your lighted lamps displayed during daylight hours, if you did any vehicle made before the regulation of DRL's would be illegal to sell or transfer as they would be deemed "Unfit". This was relayed to me by a friend who is in law enforcement.
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Sorry, but you're wrong. Here is the entire section of the text, as it pertains to motorcycles, as the previous section pertains to other vehicles:

Lamps required on motorcycles

62 (2) Subject to subsection (3), when on a highway at any time every motorcycle shall carry two lighted lamps in a conspicuous position, one on the front of the vehicle which shall display a white light only, and one on the rear of the vehicle which shall display a red light only. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (2).
Idem

(3) When on a highway at any time every motorcycle with a side car shall carry a lighted lamp in a conspicuous position on each side of the front of the vehicle which lamps shall display a white or amber light only and a lighted lamp on the rear of the vehicle which shall display a red light only. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (3).
Light requirement

(4) Any lamp required under subsection (1), (2) or (3) shall, when lighted, be clearly visible at a distance of at least 150 metres from the front or rear, as the case may be. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (4).

Exception

(5) Despite subsections (2) and (3), where a motorcycle that was manufactured prior to the 1st day of January, 1970 is operated on a highway, the lighted lamps required under subsections (2) and (3) shall be required only during the period from one-half hour before sunset to one-half hour after sunrise, or at any other time when, due to insufficient light or unfavourable atmospheric conditions, persons and vehicles on the highway are not clearly discernible at a distance of 150 metres or less. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (5).
 
I couldn't be bothered to read 7 pages of "I'm right, your wrong" so if this was mentioned already I apologize. Philips has an OEM motorcycle specific replacement bulb out that has a slight orange tint to the light emitted with the thought in mind it will be a slightly different colour than car lights to make you stand out a little bit. I've always thought this was an excellent idea but I'm too lazy to get them!!!! Anyone tried these? Probably a better idea than highbeams or cheap HIDs.

Here's a link: http://www.lighting.philips.com/us_...arent=79912999330&id=us_en_automotive&lang=en
 
I haven't had highbeams affect me yet as a driver, but during a ride with my buddy I checked my rearview and noticed I couldn't see his turn signals. I couldn't figure out why. When we stopped I mentioned it to him and he realized his highbeams were on. Not sure if it was my mirror, but I'd be worried if a cager couldn't see my signals when my highbeams were on.
 
172Driver said:
I couldn't be bothered to read 7 pages of "I'm right, your wrong" so if this was mentioned already I apologize. Philips has an OEM motorcycle specific replacement bulb out that has a slight orange tint to the light emitted with the thought in mind it will be a slightly different colour than car lights to make you stand out a little bit. I've always thought this was an excellent idea but I'm too lazy to get them!!!! Anyone tried these? Probably a better idea than highbeams or cheap HIDs.

Here's a link: http://www.lighting.philips.com/us_...arent=79912999330&id=us_en_automotive&lang=en
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It's definitely a good idea but, unfortunately, could result in a ticket for not having a "white light only" headlamp :(
 
I'm going to preface this question by saying my cat woke me up a few times last night, so I'm not functioning at 100% today :-)

Can someone direct me to the specific text that states highbeams during the day are illegal? I've read through the HTA section on lamps and they're not mentioned. I know the regulations talk about highbeams at night (60m and 150m etc.) but I don't recall daytime use being covered.

Alan
 
BdaGolfer said:
Can someone direct me to the specific text that states highbeams during the day are illegal? I've read through the HTA section on lamps and they're not mentioned. I know the regulations talk about highbeams at night (60m and 150m etc.) but I don't recall daytime use being covered.
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It has already been covered but let me explain it in absolute gory detail. Text surrounded like <this> is my explanatory note.

Splash said:
Illegal? I don't think it's illegal to run High Beams during the day. but I could be wrong...

Use of passing beam
168. When on a highway at any time when lighted lamps are required to be displayed on vehicles <Explanatory note: on a motorcycle built after 1971, "lighted lamps are required to be displayed" ALL THE TME, which means for a motorcycle, the following applies ALL THE TIME>, the driver of a motor vehicle equipped with multiple beam headlamps shall use the lower or passing beam when,

(a) approaching an oncoming vehicle within 150 metres; or
(b) following another vehicle within 60 metres, except when in the act of overtaking and passing. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 168.

Lamps required on all motor vehicles except motorcycles
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Lamps required on motorcycles
(2) Subject to subsection (3), when on a highway at any time every motorcycle shall carry two lighted lamps in a conspicuous position, one on the front of the vehicle which shall display a white light only, and one on the rear of the vehicle which shall display a red light only. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (2).
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slowbird said:
Too bad we can't strap modulating LEDs/lights all over our bikes.
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You CAN put additional lighting on your bike ... as long as the colours are as prescribed: Amber for forward facing lamps, red for rear facing lamps. There is a limit of a maximum of four forward-facing white lamps ... but there is no limit on the number of forward-facing amber lamps, nor of the number of rear-facing red lamps!

A while back, someone tipped me off to these: http://www.lights.skenedesign.com/

It flashes LED bulbs at a high frequency which is meant to not be noticeable when you are staring right at the light in question, but it's supposed to be more visible to the peripheral vision of the human eye.

If these are illegal then every tail-lamp on every car that uses PWM (pulse-width modulation) to change between brake-lamp and tail-lamp intensity is equally illegal because that's how they operate. (On GM cars that use LED taillamps, the PWM frequency is just on the edge of perceptibility.) Translation; it's not illegal.
 
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