Pulled Over By Cop For Giving 9-Year-Old Girl A Motorcycle Ride

[TYBALT71]

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what about this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvdMukb_ei8 two kids riding dirt bikes inside a sphere metal cage. i totally think it's child abuse. child services should arrest their parents

Are you serious? how is that in comparison and dealing with the issue of kids riding on the back of motorcycles? were talking on the streets, OMG not dam circus performers in a controlled environment, they are not even the same issue, not even close, stick to the topic, Bill117 and stop going on non related situations whether unique or not, the issue is children on the back of motorcycles on our streets. those kids in you're link were riding dirt bikes in a controlled environment and weren't on the back of their parents bikes. Geez, does no one have a legit argument and can only bring up unrelated issues as counter arguments?"UMMM well more kids are hurt in the school yards blah blah blah" um gee, would it have something to do with the fact a higher percentage of children participate in the school yard activities compared to kids on the back of a bike, i would expect there to be more injuries in the school yard due to the numbers and same with kids in recreational hockey, what the % of the population of kids that participate in hockey compared to the numbers on the back of motorcycles? um yeah!!! i would expect statistically more kids are hurt playing hockey then riding on the back of motorcycles!!!! again due to the #'s and percentage of the population that participate in said activities.

 

[SkyRider]

^ i forgot to add *sarcasm* to my post lol. imo i dont think giving a kid a ride on the back of a bike is child abuse. as long as the rider is careful and not popping wheelies or going 200 kph

i could argue that the metal cage is hardly a controlled environment, if the two kids have a collision it's still going to hurt. but yeah i dont think these performer parents are committing child abuse at all. i was trying point out a flaw in another posters argument.

 

[TYBALT71]

This is a pic of my 6 yr old Angel, this is as far as she gets on my bike, parked, in the off position and no keys in it and if you think for one min i would put her at risk and then have to go explain to her mom i messed up or we got taken out by another vehicle then you're nuts and trust me i couldnt live with myself, the pain and the guilt due to making a bad decision which was preventable and can easily be avoided by not putting them into the situation or the possibility and not to mention her mom would kill me 1st!!!! that's the reality-Ty, Most things in life dont require you to be a rocket scientist, just some good ole common sense and we know statistically that those passengers on the back get it worse then the rider. Why would i put her in that situation? Why would you put you're child in that situation?

 

[SkyRider]

btw i would never have my kid ride on the back on streets with other cars. the most im comfortable with is have my kid sit in front and i ride at 10kph on an empty residential road outside the house lol.

 

[black06r6]

why do people expect cops to know every word in the HTA?

because it is his job to know.

1+ i was into the import scene and had countless cops try to give me a ticket for my modded car then refering to the hta they had no choice but to give me a warning as they (yes multiple cops) didnt have a better inderstanding of the hta than i did. I would challenge them knowing they had the green hta booklet in the car and told them to look up what they wanted to charge me with

 

[Nyx13]

I take my son out on the bike with me, he's 10. He's been going on bikes since he was eight and I started with my mom when I was 11 or 12...in fact, she's why I now ride. I've never had anyone hassle me...cop or otherwise.

As for the person that's ranting about me being a child abuser because of it...seriously? REALLY? That's rich :lmao: Should we stop rock climbing and fencing as well? What about roller blading and bicycling? Kayaking? 'Cause you know, he really isn't a strong swimmer....

My son has been in the car with me twice in car accidents someone else caused and just last week a pickup was literally going sideways, sliding towards my car because he was speeding, not paying attention and didn't realise traffic had come to a full stop. So sorry... but being in a car isn't any safer if you ask me!

I'm hyper-viligant when on the bike and quite frankly, it's the small size and maneuverability that's saved me more than once. Meanwhile, in my car I've been rear-ended a couple times (was stopped legally both times), had the scary close-call last week, had a cab driver with alcohol breath pull a u-turn right AT me and had a guy pull out and do an illegal left turn right in front of oncoming traffic and me.

If I feel people aren't driving in a safe manner around me when I have my son with me, I get us out of the situation. I turn, pull off the road, whatever I need to. I don't take him in certain places/areas and I don't take him out at certain times... Those are my safety measures. Can't live in a bubble. Frankly, I think he's more likely to get killed in a parking lot or crossing the street the way he forgets to even look...

You're fully entitled to your opinion...but don't ever call me abusive because I take my child on the bike. Seriously.

 

[TYBALT71]

I take my son out on the bike with me, he's 10. He's been going on bikes since he was eight and I started with my mom when I was 11 or 12...in fact, she's why I now ride. I've never had anyone hassle me...cop or otherwise.

As for the person that's ranting about me being a child abuser because of it...seriously? REALLY? That's rich :lmao: Should we stop rock climbing and fencing as well? What about roller blading and bicycling? Kayaking? 'Cause you know, he really isn't a strong swimmer....

My son has been in the car with me twice in car accidents someone else caused and just last week a pickup was literally going sideways, sliding towards my car because he was speeding, not paying attention and didn't realise traffic had come to a full stop. So sorry... but being in a car isn't any safer if you ask me!

I'm hyper-viligant when on the bike and quite frankly, it's the small size and maneuverability that's saved me more than once. Meanwhile, in my car I've been rear-ended a couple times (was stopped legally both times), had the scary close-call last week, had a cab driver with alcohol breath pull a u-turn right AT me and had a guy pull out and do an illegal left turn right in front of oncoming traffic and me.

If I feel people aren't driving in a safe manner around me when I have my son with me, I get us out of the situation. I turn, pull off the road, whatever I need to. I don't take him in certain places/areas and I don't take him out at certain times... Those are my safety measures. Can't live in a bubble. Frankly, I think he's more likely to get killed in a parking lot or crossing the street the way he forgets to even look...

You're fully entitled to your opinion...but don't ever call me abusive because I take my child on the bike. Seriously.

I just did as I stated previously and stand by it. i'll agree to disagree-Ty

 

[Nyx13]

I just did as I stated previously and stand by it. i'll agree to disagree-Ty

So because you've decided you're right and the rest of us are wrong, you're going to sit here and insult me with just about the greatest insult you can to a parent? REALLY? Yeah...you're a MUCH better parent. What was I thinking?

I don't care if you disagree... It's your insulting me I have a problem with. Call me abusive is not something I take lightly and I don't appreciate it...but you can disagree until the cows come home.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

I just did as I stated previously and stand by it. i'll agree to disagree-Ty

Fortunately the law disagrees with you and there are still a few things, that our overly paternalistic government doesn't feel it can better decide for us than we can, ourselves.

 

[Splash]

I consider this child abuse to put small children at risks on the back of motorcycles and I have a small child.

I guess you wouldn't be too happy to see this then!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74RQqdUly5U#at=198

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[911R6]

Nice of you to be a hero. Do you also give the same sermon to those idiot yuppie cyclists that pull their babies in little trailers in the middle of car-clogged Toronto streets, Bloor st for example, or are you just another selective hero?

Wow! couldnt agree more! I was just about to say, what are u a police officer? Leave the lectures and rule checks for the professionals. Its not like he was negatively affecting the child in any way shape or form. What one person does with their child is not your problem.. If you have an issue, tell the police and stay out of it.

 

[911R6]

Some of us grew up on the back of a motorcycle as a child and I hope I have the joy of showing my kids the same pleasure I had riding around with my dad on his bike.. Man I used to ride motocross at 6! People are quick to shelter their children from the world when sometimes they need to be fully involved in things to enjoy life. I'm not saying you should be stunting with your kids on the back of your bike but while following the rules it can be a rewarding activity to share with your son/daughter.

 

[Venom01]

They have to be able to reach the footpegs.

That and a helmet Udall that is required.

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[britor]

I don't care how good of a rider anyone is, even if i was the best and most skilled rider in the world, i would never ride with a child on my bike. Because it's not you that you have to worry about, it's all the other idiots on the roads. Even adult passengers on bikes are not that safe should you toss. It's not really worth it to take that chance with a child imo.

 

[TYBALT71]

So because you've decided you're right and the rest of us are wrong, you're going to sit here and insult me with just about the greatest insult you can to a parent? REALLY? Yeah...you're a MUCH better parent. What was I thinking?

I don't care if you disagree... It's your insulting me I have a problem with. Call me abusive is not something I take lightly and I don't appreciate it...but you can disagree until the cows come home.

Just with you're examples from you're own personal situations:My son has been in the car with me twice in car accidents someone else caused and just last week a pickup was literally going sideways, sliding towards my car because he was speeding, not paying attention and didn't realise traffic had come to a full stop. So sorry... but being in a car isn't any safer if you ask me!

I'm hyper-viligant when on the bike and quite frankly, it's the small size and maneuverability that's saved me more than once. Meanwhile, in my car I've been rear-ended a couple times (was stopped legally both times), had the scary close-call last week, had a cab driver with alcohol breath pull a u-turn right AT me and had a guy pull out and do an illegal left turn right in front of oncoming traffic and me. Here:s the point; you take out that you were in you're car and instead were in the exact same scenarios on you're motorcycle with you're child on the back, now would you have the same protection for both of you as in you're car? would you have had the same impacts or resulted in the same outcome being on you're bike in these situations,most likely not! and that's the point, we all know cars are dangerous, leas they offer more protection and you're chance of being ok after a fender bender much better in a cage then on a bike, that's the point, 2 completely different outcomes in the exact same scenarios,we are going to have a lot more automobile incidents, why?, because they are the primary sources of transportation and by the thousands outnumber the % of motorcycles on the roads daily. lets throw in some innocent kids in the mix.Recipe for disaster.-Ty

 

[TYBALT71]

Some of us grew up on the back of a motorcycle as a child and I hope I have the joy of showing my kids the same pleasure I had riding around with my dad on his bike.. Man I used to ride motocross at 6! People are quick to shelter their children from the world when sometimes they need to be fully involved in things to enjoy life. I'm not saying you should be stunting with your kids on the back of your bike but while following the rules it can be a rewarding activity to share with your son/daughter.

Fair enough but we live in different times unfortunately today.

 

[Rob MacLennan]

Fair enough but we live in different times unfortunately today.

Yes, we live in times in which people seem to think that behaviour, that doesn't impact them, should be legislated out of existence. There are many things that people do, that might not be particularly smart by the standards of others.

HINT: People want to legislate motorcycle riding out of existence.

 

[imnothng]

HINT: People want to legislate motorcycle riding out of existence.

we need to legislate swimming pools out of existence. To many kids drown nowadays.

 

[oomis]

I think that when it comes to opinions on child-rearing, there are some folks on this board that need to learn to mind their own business.

Just because you have a child doesn't make you any kind of an expert on child safety OR parenting. It's harder to get a motorcycle license than it is to have a child.

My job (MY job - you do whatever you want) as a parent isn't to protect my kids from the big bad world. It's to expose them to it so they're familiar with it, not afraid of it, can see the joy and sadness of it, and are equipped to understand risk, make choices and succeed in it.

And yes, my son can reach the footpegs.

 

[Chaos]

Just with you're examples from you're own personal situations:My son has been in the car with me twice in car accidents someone else caused and just last week a pickup was literally going sideways, sliding towards my car because he was speeding, not paying attention and didn't realise traffic had come to a full stop. So sorry... but being in a car isn't any safer if you ask me!

I'm hyper-viligant when on the bike and quite frankly, it's the small size and maneuverability that's saved me more than once. Meanwhile, in my car I've been rear-ended a couple times (was stopped legally both times), had the scary close-call last week, had a cab driver with alcohol breath pull a u-turn right AT me and had a guy pull out and do an illegal left turn right in front of oncoming traffic and me. Here:s the point; you take out that you were in you're car and instead were in the exact same scenarios on you're motorcycle with you're child on the back, now would you have the same protection for both of you as in you're car? would you have had the same impacts or resulted in the same outcome being on you're bike in these situations,most likely not! and that's the point, we all know cars are dangerous, leas they offer more protection and you're chance of being ok after a fender bender much better in a cage then on a bike, that's the point, 2 completely different outcomes in the exact same scenarios,we are going to have a lot more automobile incidents, why?, because they are the primary sources of transportation and by the thousands outnumber the % of motorcycles on the roads daily. lets throw in some innocent kids in the mix.Recipe for disaster.-Ty

Let's play devil's advocate for a minute. If you are concerned about your child's well-being (and rightly so of course), why are you riding at all then? You are putting your own life in danger, and that could lead to your child not having a proper paternal relationship.

My point is that there's really no discrete line.

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