Not any more in Canada anyway.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...bility_ruling_081001/20080110?hub=CTVNewsAt11
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Proposal to Ban Serving Food to Obese People
- Thread starter eastcoast_gsx
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Not any more in Canada anyway.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...bility_ruling_081001/20080110?hub=CTVNewsAt11
Wow, that sucks! Would they have to book the extra seat at the time of their reservation or when they show up? Imagine a fully booked flight and your stuck beside the fat cow that is taking up half your seat! I can't believe they consider stuffing your face with food a disability.
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Like bear22099 said about 4 pages ago, didn't anyone actually listen to what she was saying? This was introduced to raise debate about junk food, it was never intended to actually ban fat people from fast food places. I guess it worked on most of you, but you kinda missed the point.
ITT: Fat people getting mad that somebody thinks their McDonalds should be cut off from them.
Smoking is bad, we tax the hell out of smokes. Because increased health care.
Alcohol is bad, we tax the hell out alcohol. Because alcoholics.
Fast food is bad, we DON'T tax the hell out of fast food. Because we don't want to hurt people's feelings.
Someone mentioned a thyroid issue, that is a handicap, being fat because you don't know how to eat properly is not.
That to me is the issue. If what you are putting in your pie hole has no (or next to no) nutritional value, pay the tax man.
Alcohol is bad, we tax the hell out alcohol. Because alcoholics.
Fast food is bad, we DON'T tax the hell out of fast food. Because we don't want to hurt people's feelings.
Someone mentioned a thyroid issue, that is a handicap, being fat because you don't know how to eat properly is not.
That to me is the issue. If what you are putting in your pie hole has no (or next to no) nutritional value, pay the tax man.
Skinny people are like Slinkies... they have no real purpose, but they sure bring a smile to your face when you push one down a flight of stairs.
Tornique
Well-known member
If you consider severe obesity a deadly addiction to food, like crack cocaine is to a crack addict, then I see the point. I bet the crack addict doesn't like the idea of being told he can't have any crack either lol. If you look at it like someone trying to tell me what I can or can't eat, then its a travesty. We all need food to survive and I can make healthy decision about what I put into my mouth without big mother government telling me. (But what if you couldn't make a healthy decision because you were an addict?)
Seriously, this bill was a gimmick to get some discussion going, the problem is the bill being so rough, the consumer rights guys can easily hack this up as nazi skinny people telling us what we can eat.
However, if you think of extreme obesity (not just that dumb BMI index) as an addiction, then fast food would be the controlled substance. The government already tells us we cannot have illegal drugs, and will put us into prison for it. So how would this really infringe on the extremely obese any differently than it infringes on the drug addict, or alcoholic, or <insert addiction here>.
Oh thats nice you have a picture of yourself and your bike in your signature. Cute.
I was a smoker until 2 years ago, I got really sick scared the **** out of me and I quit. According to my doctor I need to lose 10 to 20 pounds ok no problem I'm now playing hockey. No correction falling down alot Trying to play.
The funny thing about all this is that unless these so called overwieght people want to change even the goverment is not going to stop them from eating this bad food or unhealthy food. It does not matter what you do unless the person wants to change they will not.
Prime example it is illegal for minors to smoke and to buy smokes, but yet you look in all the high school yards and parking lots there is a pile of minors smoking.
The moral of this whole thread is this. It does not matter what laws or rules you put in place unless the person wants to change they will not.
Just my thoughts.
The funny thing about all this is that unless these so called overwieght people want to change even the goverment is not going to stop them from eating this bad food or unhealthy food. It does not matter what you do unless the person wants to change they will not.
Prime example it is illegal for minors to smoke and to buy smokes, but yet you look in all the high school yards and parking lots there is a pile of minors smoking.
The moral of this whole thread is this. It does not matter what laws or rules you put in place unless the person wants to change they will not.
Just my thoughts.
I see your Mom gave you back your computer privileges again. Good for you!
Glad you found time to post that between bites of your big mac.
stormcat
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Any proposal to restrict what obese people eat oversimplifies what obesity is and how it's caused. It assumes that people who are obese simply lack willpower. That's far too one dimensional, when there are actually a lot of causes for obesity.
Obesity is linked to income and socioeconomic status. Food that's bad for you is much cheaper than food that is actually good for you. If you're poor, you're probably going to eat food that you can afford (i.e., prefab foods, frozen meals, fast foods filled with preservatives, fat and salt to make it all tasty, subpar cuts of meat, etc). No?
Obesity is linked to culture. We're constantly told via advertising that we don't have time to make meals, and that we should prefer the ease of ready-made meals, family 'meal deals', etc. All of that crap is terrible for us. Our lifestyles also dictate a sedentary work day. Most of us sit on our butts at our jobs and don't get enough exercise while we jam all this terrible food down our throats.
Obesity in some cases has a real physiological cause. Three things that come to mind immediately are a defective satiety centre in the brain, diabetes, and hypothyroidism. While obesity can cause diabetes, insulin therapy also makes people suffering from diabetes hungry all the time. Kind of brings me to another point: obesity can be caused by medications. Two off the top of my head are Prednisone and Paxil.
We differ physically and in terms of metabolism. If I ate a Big Mac combo every day it wouldn't take me long to be quite the fatty. But someone else with a fast metabolism could get away with a high fat and calorie intake and remain thin. So it might not be a matter of willpower at all, but how our metabolisms differ so radically.
Obesity for a lot of people has a real psychological cause. My bff has fought with her weight her whole life. Her relationship with food is psychological. It's comforting. She's dealt with so much crap in her life it's a wonder she didn't turn to drugs. In this case, food is her drug. You can't just take food away from someone and tell them to suck it up and have some willpower. Especially if you cannot see why a person overeats in the first place. To compare, it would be like screaming at a person with anorexia to STFU and eat something. It's just not that easy.
/two cents.
Obesity is linked to income and socioeconomic status. Food that's bad for you is much cheaper than food that is actually good for you. If you're poor, you're probably going to eat food that you can afford (i.e., prefab foods, frozen meals, fast foods filled with preservatives, fat and salt to make it all tasty, subpar cuts of meat, etc). No?
Obesity is linked to culture. We're constantly told via advertising that we don't have time to make meals, and that we should prefer the ease of ready-made meals, family 'meal deals', etc. All of that crap is terrible for us. Our lifestyles also dictate a sedentary work day. Most of us sit on our butts at our jobs and don't get enough exercise while we jam all this terrible food down our throats.
Obesity in some cases has a real physiological cause. Three things that come to mind immediately are a defective satiety centre in the brain, diabetes, and hypothyroidism. While obesity can cause diabetes, insulin therapy also makes people suffering from diabetes hungry all the time. Kind of brings me to another point: obesity can be caused by medications. Two off the top of my head are Prednisone and Paxil.
We differ physically and in terms of metabolism. If I ate a Big Mac combo every day it wouldn't take me long to be quite the fatty. But someone else with a fast metabolism could get away with a high fat and calorie intake and remain thin. So it might not be a matter of willpower at all, but how our metabolisms differ so radically.
Obesity for a lot of people has a real psychological cause. My bff has fought with her weight her whole life. Her relationship with food is psychological. It's comforting. She's dealt with so much crap in her life it's a wonder she didn't turn to drugs. In this case, food is her drug. You can't just take food away from someone and tell them to suck it up and have some willpower. Especially if you cannot see why a person overeats in the first place. To compare, it would be like screaming at a person with anorexia to STFU and eat something. It's just not that easy.
/two cents.
Tornique
Well-known member
Great post, but when food becomes comforting its a bad method of dealing with stress. Just like when I was a smoker, when I got stressed or ****** off I needed a smoke. I went onto champix and all of a sudden that nicotine wasn't giving me those pleasure endorphins anymore and I was still stressed and even more stressed out that I wasn't getting my fix. It wasn't untill I was forced to find a different method of dealing with stress that my attempt at quiting smoking actually worked.
The biggest problem with obesity is the fact that it latches onto major depression as the anchor to keep you addicted.
Dohhh
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way to resurrect a thread from 3 years ago batman!
Truth is it's all about self control.
My genetics does me absolutely no favours in this respect. I wake up at 4:30 in the morning and go for a run. Then I weight train later in the day. I also work a minimum of 12 hours a day. Probably spend about 8 hours a day at a desk.
I LOVE food.
However I can recognize how much I should eat relative to my activity level and metabolism. We all know how much is enough. People are fat for all kinds of reasons. But none of them are good reasons at all. The most common reasons are ignorance, and laziness. That covers about 90% of the fat population. There rest have medical conditions that keep them from exercising or having metabolic issues.
Say what you want but people who are fat, are fat because they chose to be. Anyone can lose the weight and look good. Just depends on how hard you want to work at it. And I can tell you for a fact no food tastes as good as it feels to be fit. I am working on my younger sister as she struggles with her weight. She admits to being lazy, because a sposted above fat people tend to get depressed about it and it really doesn't help them get motivated.
My dad offered my sister $50/lb reward if she loses a total of 30lbs or more. It's a great motivator but the will to do it needs to come from within. God knows she has all the resources and support she needs to get it done. People are lazy. I almost wouldn't care of they closed down McDonalds and the like.
My genetics does me absolutely no favours in this respect. I wake up at 4:30 in the morning and go for a run. Then I weight train later in the day. I also work a minimum of 12 hours a day. Probably spend about 8 hours a day at a desk.
I LOVE food.
However I can recognize how much I should eat relative to my activity level and metabolism. We all know how much is enough. People are fat for all kinds of reasons. But none of them are good reasons at all. The most common reasons are ignorance, and laziness. That covers about 90% of the fat population. There rest have medical conditions that keep them from exercising or having metabolic issues.
Say what you want but people who are fat, are fat because they chose to be. Anyone can lose the weight and look good. Just depends on how hard you want to work at it. And I can tell you for a fact no food tastes as good as it feels to be fit. I am working on my younger sister as she struggles with her weight. She admits to being lazy, because a sposted above fat people tend to get depressed about it and it really doesn't help them get motivated.
My dad offered my sister $50/lb reward if she loses a total of 30lbs or more. It's a great motivator but the will to do it needs to come from within. God knows she has all the resources and support she needs to get it done. People are lazy. I almost wouldn't care of they closed down McDonalds and the like.
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