Police seek motorcyclist who fled from Lawrence Avenue crash

OpenGambit said:
I agree with this, the days of just finding a job and having a career handed to you are over.
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Um ... when was this? I think I missed it... worked my *** off to get where I am and am often pestered by co-ops who think they can walk into a job like mine....
 
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Now that is settled can we get back to the original post, Did they catch the guy? and if so, who ratted him out?
 
OpenGambit said:
tons of adults a few decades ago gradded high school, got a job at an auto factory or something like that. kept it. off they go.
And with that job could afford a stay at home wife, a couple of kids and a house.

You can't do that now and thats undeniable.
its obvious you aren't a part of that generation either, but pretending that time didn't exist is just denial.
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I thought the debate was about career? Since when is 'Line Worker' a career?

And FYI, my godson is doing exactly this at GM in Oshawa, so much for your denial....
 
CruiserGoneSport said:
I thought the debate was about career? Since when is 'Line Worker' a career?

And FYI, my godson is doing exactly this at GM in Oshawa, so much for your denial....
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For how much longer? Didn't they just announce they're closing down a bunch of lines at that plant? While I agree Oshawa is different, if he had to support his family on that sole income in Toronto, I doubt he'd own a house anytime soon.
 
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CruiserGoneSport said:
I thought the debate was about career? Since when is 'Line Worker' a career?

And FYI, my godson is doing exactly this at GM in Oshawa, so much for your denial....
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The reasonable among us don't use 1 experience as an indication of entire economies.

my first post graduation job (which i landed 2 years before graduation) paid 100k + bonus. But I don't pretend that:

(i) everyone else has the same experience /income; or
(ii) my experience changes things like house affordability numbers, inflation, number of job changes, or you know... data.
 
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CruiserGoneSport said:
I thought the debate was about career? Since when is 'Line Worker' a career?

And FYI, my godson is doing exactly this at GM in Oshawa, so much for your denial....
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Line worker was a career up until maybe 10-15 years ago.

I know of 5-6 people who retired before the age of 60 with a pension paying out 800-1000 a week after working 30+ years in a warehouse.
 
jc100 said:
So if I read this right...the summary is whether or not you'd stick around if your friend was injured and some of you are suggesting buggering off sharpish? I'd have a serious look at who you call your friends if that's the case.

As for the entitlement generation and selfishness for once I agree with Shaman, kind of. Yes, job prospects are terrible for young people these days but unfortunately until they realise that many still think the world owes them a living.
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Dude smarten-up, the guy who fled didn't do it because he didn't cared for his friend, he fled to avoid charges and possibly frivolous charges that were going to be racked up against him. I would have done the same thing, if the guy is hurt then paramedics will take care of him, if he is not hurt then there was no harm in me fleeing. On the other hand if I'm acting stupid with my buddy and I crash I would tell him myself to run and save himself, and I would NOT rat him out. Nobody was hurt but themselves, who cares.
 
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Pegassus said:
Dude smarten-up, the guy who fled didn't do it because he didn't cared for his friend, he fled to avoid charges and possibly frivolous charges that were going to be racked up against him. I would have done the same thing, if the guy is hurt then paramedics will take care of him, if he is not hurt then there was no harm in me fleeing. On the other hand if I'm acting stupid with my buddy and I crash I would tell him myself to run and save himself, and I would NOT rat him out. Nobody was hurt but themselves, who cares.
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Pegassus said:
Dude smarten-up, the guy who fled didn't do it because he didn't cared for his friend, he fled to avoid charges and possibly frivolous charges that were going to be racked up against him. I would have done the same thing, if the guy is hurt then paramedics will take care of him, if he is not hurt then there was no harm in me fleeing. On the other hand if I'm acting stupid with my buddy and I crash I would tell him myself to run and save himself, and I would NOT rat him out. Nobody was hurt but themselves, who cares.
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Your buddy goes down and you have no idea if hes hurt, dying, or dead but you keep on riding to avoid some tickets?

Wow, thats cowardly.
 
OpenGambit said:
The reasonable among us don't use 1 experience as an indication of entire economies.

my first post graduation job (which i landed 2 years before graduation) paid 100k + bonus. But I don't pretend that:

(i) everyone else has the same experience /income; or
(ii) my experience changes things like house affordability numbers, inflation, number of job changes, or you know... data.
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Replying to someone using that as an example, you're actually making my point....

Layoffs aren't new, nor are financially "tight" times. Those of us who can remember the '80s are shaking or heads.

It's never been easy, all that's changed is variety of toys we now think are necessary and attitudes. I'm not going to start the old mile walk to school uphill both ways rant but, work ethic these days ... I don't see too much of it, same for respect and realistic expectations....

Back on topic, abandon me in an accident to avoid a ticket and you better hope I die....
 
Pegassus said:
Dude smarten-up, the guy who fled didn't do it because he didn't cared for his friend, he fled to avoid charges and possibly frivolous charges that were going to be racked up against him. I would have done the same thing, if the guy is hurt then paramedics will take care of him, if he is not hurt then there was no harm in me fleeing. On the other hand if I'm acting stupid with my buddy and I crash I would tell him myself to run and save himself, and I would NOT rat him out. Nobody was hurt but themselves, who cares.
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What exactly is frivolous about riding on the wrong side of the road, causing an accident, and hurting someone? This should be good. Let's say for the sake of argument they were both able to get back up? Should they both run then? I guess some people just can't comprehend the magnitude of their stupidity
 
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CruiserGoneSport said:
Replying to someone using that as an example, you're actually making my point....

Layoffs aren't new, nor are financially "tight" times. Those of us who can remember the '80s are shaking or heads.

It's never been easy, all that's changed is variety of toys we now think are necessary and attitudes. I'm not going to start the old mile walk to school uphill both ways rant but, work ethic these days ... I don't see too much of it, same for respect and realistic expectations....

Back on topic, abandon me in an accident to avoid a ticket and you better hope I die....
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The point is that one or two, or even 10 indivdual stories has nothing to do with the fact that people are now growing up into some of the most unaffordable housing in the last century with tuition rates have increased in a far higher rate than inflation.

Thats just independently verifiable numbers. Rant about walking uphill both ways all you like, but you didnt' buy your house into that kind of multiplier and you know it.
 
OpenGambit said:
Thats just independently verifiable numbers. Rant about walking uphill both ways all you like, but you didnt' buy your house into that kind of multiplier and you know it.
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I just told you I wasn't going to rant and you reply like I did? Cognitive disorder or intentional argumentative tool?

When I was buying, mortgage rates were well into 2 digits, housing in the city was unaffordable and still is, same for tuition. I'll grant that average wages haven't matched inflation well but as already visited in this thread, what we view as a career or maybe 'minimal living conditions' has changed as well. We no longer think of line worker as a career and many of the careers (including mine) simply didn't exist back then. Yes, MUCH has changed.

I hear many complaints that things are much harder for this generation ... many posted from an iPhone probably while eating out.... ironic don't you think?
 
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I just told you I wasn't going to rant and you reply like I did? Cognitive disorder or intentional argumentative tool?

When I was buying, mortgage rates were well into 2 digits, housing in the city was unaffordable and still is, same for tuition. I'll grant that average wages haven't matched inflation well but as already visited in this thread, what we view as a career or maybe 'minimal living conditions' has changed as well. We no longer think of line worker as a career and many of the careers (including mine) simply didn't exist back then. Yes, MUCH has changed.

I hear many complaints that things are much harder for this generation ... many posted from an iPhone probably while eating out.... ironic don't you think?
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Oh it wasn't a "rant". It was just a completely baseless comment about work ethic. A distinction without a difference.

I am pointing at data and all you like to talk about is your stereotypical old guy looking at the younger generation comments.
Complaining about work ethic and iphones, all the while conveniently ignoring:

1. that tuition has gone way up, and at the same time become more necessary. People don't make a good living with a HS degree anymore, the majority now need at least some form of post secondary training. (a cost that used to be more often borne by employers, but now employees)
2. housing prices far outpaced the rate of inflation and wage increases.
3. more people now compete for the same amount of jobs (adjusted for population)
4. wages are now in more in line with dual income households rather than single

I have it essentially as good as a person my age can, it doesn't mean I look at everyone else and rattle off "just work harder" kind of comments.
I could just as easily say that you are lazy. After all, why aren't you in the top 1 % ? (thats about 350-400 k a year)
 
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OpenGambit said:
Oh it wasn't a "rant". It was just a completely baseless comment about work ethic. A distinction without a difference.
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Baseless from your pov maybe, I regularly interview co-ops .... your pov is from?

OpenGambit said:
I am pointing at data and all you like to talk about is your stereotypical old guy looking at the younger generation comments.
Complaining about work ethic and iphones, all the while conveniently ignoring:

1. that tuition has gone way up, and at the same time become more necessary. People don't make a good living with a HS degree anymore, the majority now need at least some form of post secondary training. (a cost that used to be more often borne by employers, but now employees)
2. housing prices far outpaced the rate of inflation and wage increases.
3. more people now compete for the same amount of jobs (adjusted for population)
4. wages are now in more in line with dual income households rather than single

I have it essentially as good as a person my age can, it doesn't mean I look at everyone else and rattle off "just work harder" kind of comments.
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This is what passes for data in your world?

A HS diploma counted for nothing "in my day" and still doesn't.

Show me the stats that prove statements like #3. I call bull####, we can argue stats all day long. Tell me what, show me the many jobs in the computer industry that existed when I was pounding the pavement with my resume in hand....

I'm, glad to see you didn't strain yourself to address my point on mortgage rates or the increase in what we consider to be a "standard of living". Seems to me, most figure 2 cars and a cottage are a minimum, not to mention a tv per room and computer in my phone etc....

OpenGambit said:
I could just as easily say that you are lazy. After all, why aren't you in the top 1 % ? (thats about 350-400 k a year)
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You know next to nothing of me so yes you could say this ... lol!

But what's your point? Resorting to personal bashing is the first sign of a losing argument....
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