Reduced tickets have a R on them.
Plate obstruction -- ********* ticket
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Reduced tickets have a R on them.
Not necessarily, and in another thread the parent indicated the ticket was dropped from 20 over to 15 over.
R doesn't have to be circled. If it is circled, they reduced the ticket, if it's not, they may or may not have reduced it. I have no idea why it isn't required.
I agree, plate obstruction ticket does nothing to enhance public safety or the perception of the police. I would fight them both, you should be able to get the plate ticket dropped in court (show cover was removed, hell, bring the cover into court to show the jp what a prick the cop was being). 15 or 20 over for the speeding ticket makes little difference.
The problem with fighting the 15 over is that the prosecutor will probably choose to amend the charge so the kid is now fighting a 20-over ticket. While the insurance repercussions between 15-over and 20-over are no difference, the demerit points are.
If convicted on 20-over, the kid will now have three demerit points and MTO will send a warning letter to him. One more 3-point ticket will land him in an MTO office trying to explain why the MTO shouldn't suspend his license.
The plate cover carries no points. If he can trade a guilty plea on the plate for a dropped 15-over speeding charge or vice versa, that is the minimal pain and risk way out.
What if it's faux distressed to go with the rat Shovelhead bobber? Sup?
suzuki2000
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So doing some investigation, this is becoming more probelmatic as noted cop alledged that he dropped the ticket from 20 to 15, told my kid, told my kid "your dad is going to kill you" i assume after asking whose car, etc... came back hands him the speeding ticket and following up with by the way here's another ticket because the plate is obstructed.... nice.... keeping the world safe
huge amounts of intimidation here. from what I am learning he (we) must fight both as one ticket hits his record eve minor, adding the second would constitute two minor tickets, insurance will drop him and he will go forward with an insurance cancellation on his record too.This cop has just made the life of a 16 year old hell, for no good reason... I'm getting just a little more than ****** off now.
no choiice but to fight, if it was reduced makes no difference as accpeting both tickets is probably more problematic
If your son can work a deal to plead guilty to one ticket in exchange for a withdrawal on the other, that is the lowest risk and lowest cost way out.
If you insist on fighting both tickets, you risk conviction on both and that could result in serious insurance consequences for your son. On the other hand, the consequences for a conviction on one ticket would be negligible, aside from your son having to drive very carefully and within the law for the next three years. That by itself isn't necessarily a bad thing.
suzuki2000
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agreed that would be best, focusing on at least getting one tossed. The plate ticket is just BS and what is really bending him over
So we have a frame job, some intimidation, some extortion with a chance to escape if you pay the right people.
Sounds like the makings of a good mafia movie.
So we have a frame job, some intimidation, some extortion with a chance to escape if you pay the right people.
Sounds like the makings of a good mafia movie.
Got nailed by a member of the framing crew. What a stud. Not an inside job.
So we have a frame job, some intimidation, some extortion with a chance to escape if you pay the right people.
Sounds like the makings of a good mafia movie.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that his dad "framed" him, with the license plate cover.
I'm not seeing the same degree of anger directed at the kid who cause the whole incident though.
I'd be more upset with my child were he to get a ticket.
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As others have noted the plate ticket seems to me like an attitude adjustment ticket. Maybe they thought they were being polite, maybe they were not??? Or maybe it is close to the end of the month and someone was just down on issued tickets?
Regardless it is a learning point for the kid... and I would be fighting all of the charges if it was my kid. Not to show them how to avoid responsibility for their actions, instead to show them how the legal process works and I would make them do as much of the research as to how to fight it as possible. It is a lesson in the charter of rights and due process... and when they lose a lesson in the cost of their actions.
Regardless it is a learning point for the kid... and I would be fighting all of the charges if it was my kid. Not to show them how to avoid responsibility for their actions, instead to show them how the legal process works and I would make them do as much of the research as to how to fight it as possible. It is a lesson in the charter of rights and due process... and when they lose a lesson in the cost of their actions.
Splash
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best answer!!!!
Lol framed with the license plate frame
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I thought <15 over was zero points?
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As much as I agree that the plate ticket is bs, if he wasn't speeding, there wouldn't have been any ticket. (Not trying to be an @$$) Nor sure how I'm gonna feel in a few years when my kid starts driving. In any case, I wish you both the best of luck.
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Points are relevant to your driver's license. They're irrelevant to your insurance company. It's a "minor ticket" one way or the other. Insurance companies generally start getting excited based on the number of minor offences, not whether they were more or less "minor".
Handing out BS tickets is a reeeally good way to breed "us versus them".
Handing out BS tickets is a reeeally good way to breed "us versus them".
