So you don't see the beginning upward trend from the mid-70s to mid-80s? Interesting, very interesting.
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So you don't see the beginning upward trend from the mid-70s to mid-80s? Interesting, very interesting.
I suspect that we'll be in for another PC failure, next time around. The problem is that in what is arguably the most liberal Province in the country (BC gives us a run for the money there), the Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario has decided to drop the "progressive" from their platforms. Both the Provincial and Federal conservative parties have shifted to being socially conservative, rather than fiscally conservative, and the Feds have gone fully over to being spend crazy. I don't want governments that try to buy my vote by telling me how much of my own money they'll pay me off with. I want governments that will only take what they need from me and spend it carefully.
But isn't that upward trend totally, completely, and utterly DWARFED by the numbers in the mid 80s to mid 90s. Can't you see that?
the libs continued that trend (admittedly to reach its highest point) for a few years but then wrestled it down again.
Here's a link to a better graph: http://www.cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2010/Tatalovich-Frendreis.pdf
Can you reference yours? It seems out of whack.
Diefenbaker 57-63, Pearson 63-68, Trudeau 68-79, 80-84, Mulroney 84-93
Can you reference yours? It seems out of whack.
Diefenbaker 57-63, Pearson 63-68, Trudeau 68-79, 80-84, Mulroney 84-93
They also started the trend. Once it tripled the first time. Doubling it again isn't much.
Because they're different, I asked you to source yours, but you haven't responded?
Does the Liberal think tank not put labels on their graphs?
I can argue yours as well, but you seem to have a blind spot for the Trudeau years, where things went from linear to exponential.
It's also missing the early Diefenbaker years. I believe that he actually had a surplus one year.
+1 .... But this setup doesn't seem to be in the stars right now anytime soon. The sun will run out of fuel before that, or perhaps even the Leafs will win the cup ....
the liberals best not think that the PC party are not a threat, I can see what happened to the conservatives in Alberta happening to the liberals in Ontario and I feel people are still terrified that the NDP would equal a tax and spend regime and heading towards communism.
If the NDP do not tank Alberta the NDP could become a threat here. We have a fear of them due to the Bob Rae regime and everyone expects tax and spend like crazy.
If in Alberta they take a level headed approach and fix some of the supply side economics the PCs were running there without going nuts (small increase in corperate taxes, higher oil royalties, etc.) it will show they can run a large province...
If in Alberta they take a level headed approach and fix some of the supply side economics the PCs were running there without going nuts (small increase in corperate taxes, higher oil royalties, etc.) it will show they can run a large province...
Well there's a key flaw in my, "If they lie to you, vote them out" theory. It's that if the people you would have to vote in are actually demonstrably worse than the ones you would be voting out, and I don't mean that based on personal political bias, then the theory falls apart.
You know; like when someone says that he's going to fire 100K gov't workers.
He was creating jobs...
What makes my head shake is .... that even most PC's party members don't know where he stands ... AFTER months of campaigning and ultimately winning leadership???? What have they talked about? Pro-life and anti-gay laws???
Also, there's something about young people starting in politics in their teens .... and never having a real job and having to support a family of their own .... yeah, ok. This is not Bay st. job ...
But Gretzky likes him, that must be a bullet-proof choice right? Oh, they both like hockey, I guess that's what they talked about.
Also, there's something about young people starting in politics in their teens .... and never having a real job and having to support a family of their own .... yeah, ok. This is not Bay st. job ...
But Gretzky likes him, that must be a bullet-proof choice right? Oh, they both like hockey, I guess that's what they talked about.
What is weird is that the Wynne government is some whacked out combination of NDP with a smattering of Conservatives. They are spending like drunken sailors and yet they are selling off Hydro which is something I would expect a Conservative government to do. Like the worst of NDP and Conservatives!
Its funny I never thought of it like that but that is exactly what it is. Instead of being the medium its intense hot and cold together.
The ontario PC party is screwed if they keep believing that any is socially conservative instead of fiscally conservative will get them anywhere. There only hope is in the Progressive part of PC. You need to know your audience. The tea party politics have been rejected by Ontario over and over. It is insane to repeat the same process and expecting different results.
I couldn't agree more! Kind of shocking to see what they just did. How they expect this to work out is beyond me.
I blame the Ontario PCs for the fact that the Liberals are still in power. When your platform is so bad that you lose to a party that has consistently lied to the people who voted them in, since the very first time that McGuinty became Premier, you've got serious issues as a party.
And now the Liberals are doing something that was specifically rejected by the Ontario electorate; selling off government assets. They've been given a majority mandate, so no one can stop them from doing it. Yup, it's on the PCs.
There is no sign of the Provincial Conservatives getting the message and even if they try to show they are not socially conservative, no one believes them. I don't believe them! I'm a conservative and can't support them.
And that's the problem. There is absolutely no accountability for billion dollar waste so it doesn't matter who is in power. Crap in the sand box and leave.
And that's the problem. There is absolutely no accountability for billion dollar waste so it doesn't matter who is in power. Crap in the sand box and leave.
