Paris Attack

sonnythebull said:
Yes wipe islamic terrorists and those who support , condone , understand or assist them in any way.
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you left out train, finance, arm, help infiltrate independent nations.

if you meant those already..

France is the second largest weapons supplier to the FSA(which included Alnusra(alqaeda) and Isis until very recently, may still be the case in secret impossible to find out)

now what would you like to do?
 
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shahfaisal said:
Malaysia and iran... you may not agree with iran because they did not abandon their ways and try to be european... but you cant disagree with their forward thinking in almost every field except their version of human rights
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Sorry Malaysia and Iran do not have good records on Human rights

Iran: Has massive issues with Extra-judicial and deaths while in custody and torture is common place. Political speech it controlled a demonstrations are harshly cracked down on. Darvish, Bahai Minorities face oppressions. Jews there are the largest in the middle east outside of Israel and they face issues such as legal having to replace the heads of jewish schools with muslims. LBTQ people and executed or forced to go through gender reassignment surgery, Convictions of rape are rare in Iran due to a lack of gender equality Irans media is state run and controlled. Students who hold political views no in line with the government are regularly prevented from attending university despite acceptance into the university this started in 2006 and as of 2012 a number of university courses have been deemed none co-ed and women have been banned from attending them this includes english literature, English translation, hotel management, archaeology, nuclear physics, computer science, electrical engineering, industrial engineering, and business management.

Malasia: Freedom of speech and press are restricted with public comment on racial and religious and some other topics is prohibited internet access is allowed but threats from the government keeps bloggers in check. There is basic freedoms however ethic Malaysians or Bumiputeras are given special access above none ethics to jobs educations and such although there has been calls to reform this. Groups of over 7 gathering in publics are required to register with the government for approval and a number however human rights groups and other groups are often denied this privilege. freedom of religion is guaranteed however Mariages between muslims and none muslims are forbidden and none sunni interpretations of islam are illegal and none muslims face discrimination including the right to own land. Womens right is different depending on the state sharia law is practiced and domestic abuse cases are complicated due to the same law that prevents a women from disobeying their husbands. In 1 state women performers can only perform for all female audiences. Indigenous people were often deprived or their land or prevented ownership this is improving however. LGBT rights are practically none existent at this time and homosexuality is illegal and discrimination is common place however acceptance is up and enforcement is down so the situation appears to be improving here as well.

No exactly Beaming exampled of human rights but i will say they are better than most islamic countries. Of course both are Theocracies so without a secular state religious based persecution is unavoidable.
 
Two50noob said:
Sorry Malaysia and Iran do not have good records on Human rights

Iran: Has massive issues with Extra-judicial and deaths while in custody and torture is common place. Political speech it controlled a demonstrations are harshly cracked down on. Darvish, Bahai Minorities face oppressions. Jews there are the largest in the middle east outside of Israel and they face issues such as legal having to replace the heads of jewish schools with muslims. LBTQ people and executed or forced to go through gender reassignment surgery, Convictions of rape are rare in Iran due to a lack of gender equality Irans media is state run and controlled. Students who hold political views no in line with the government are regularly prevented from attending university despite acceptance into the university this started in 2006 and as of 2012 a number of university courses have been deemed none co-ed and women have been banned from attending them this includes english literature, English translation, hotel management, archaeology, nuclear physics, computer science, electrical engineering, industrial engineering, and business management.

Malasia: Freedom of speech and press are restricted with public comment on racial and religious and some other topics is prohibited internet access is allowed but threats from the government keeps bloggers in check. There is basic freedoms however ethic Malaysians or Bumiputeras are given special access above none ethics to jobs educations and such although there has been calls to reform this. Groups of over 7 gathering in publics are required to register with the government for approval and a number however human rights groups and other groups are often denied this privilege. freedom of religion is guaranteed however Mariages between muslims and none muslims are forbidden and none sunni interpretations of islam are illegal and none muslims face discrimination including the right to own land. Womens right is different depending on the state sharia law is practiced and domestic abuse cases are complicated due to the same law that prevents a women from disobeying their husbands. In 1 state women performers can only perform for all female audiences. Indigenous people were often deprived or their land or prevented ownership this is improving however. LGBT rights are practically none existent at this time and homosexuality is illegal and discrimination is common place however acceptance is up and enforcement is down so the situation appears to be improving here as well.

No exactly Bastians of human rights but i will say they are between than most islamic countries. Of course both are Theocracies so without a secular state religious persecution is unavoidable.
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source it or it didn't happen

and who's version of human rights should they follow theirs or europe's?

IRAN:
-their culture their values.. you can't force homosexuality on people or acceptance of it. just because you accept doesn't mean everyone else has to.
- extra judicial deaths and torture? have you EVER heard of guantanamo...
- gender in equality? iranian women are far more ducted than the average western women below the age of 30( they are a young nation less than 50 years old)
- thank god their media is state controlled.. have you seen our media?
-not political view conflicting with the govt.. ties with certain international organization than yes those individuals are under house arrest based on their actions.(we do the same darn thing)
- none coed course.. yes because they have been given separate courses altogether(male/female) AS PER THEIR CUSTOMS. why should they paint themselves white?

MALAYSIA:
Two50noob said:
public comment on racial and religious and some other topics is prohibited
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- good they won't have to deal with a charlie hebdo situation.. no one may insult another race or religion
- job quotas are indeed a problem.. but they exist all over Asia.. a carry over from the old days of the kings.
- restrictions on large groups are to help maintain Malaysia's neutrality.. certain nations have been trying to create unrest.. you can guess who since Malaysia is the only nation in the region where they don't have military bases except china of course.
- inter-religious marriages are forbidden in islam.. with the exception of the people of the book with certain restrictions(christians and jews)
- women's rights issues.. no its a enforcement issue they need to considerable improve their enforcement of women's rights yes thats true.
- women are considered as the treasures/honor of the home in islam as such females are not allowed to perform for entertainment purposes. especially to a male crowd.
-natives persecuted?? HELLO WE LIVE IN NORTH AMERICA.. so many natives were killed nobody bothered to count..makes the holocaust look like a needle in a haystack

we can safely say malaysia is to us like the pope is for catholics when it comes to treatment of native don't you think
 
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shahfaisal said:
source it or it didn't happen
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Malaysia
http://www.asiapacificforum.net/new...omments/rethinking_malaysias_sodomy_laws.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15933269
https://www.fidh.org/International-.../malaysia/Asian-and-International-Human-12183
http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2011religiousfreedom/index.htm?dlid=192641#wrapper
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/countries/asia-and-the-pacific/malaysia
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-...d-systematically-widespread-caning-2010-12-06

Iran
http://mehr.org/HumanRightsinIran07.pd
fhttp://mehr.org/Islamic_Penal_Code_of_Iran.pdf
https://www.fidh.org/IMG/pdf/ir0108a.pdf
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4115535.stm
http://al-shorfa.com/en_GB/articles/meii/features/main/2010/01/12/feature-03
http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/...n_iran_and_its_legality_under_islamic_law.pdf
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/09/21/iran-appoint-special-un-envoy-investigate-rights-crisis
http://forward.com/articles/9834/iranian-jews-reject-outside-calls-to-leave-/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4270873,00.html
 
shahfaisal said:
you left out train, finance, arm, help infiltrate independent nations.

if you meant those already..

France is the second largest weapons supplier to the FSA(which included Alnusra(alqaeda) and Isis until very recently, may still be the case in secret impossible to find out)

now what would you like to do?
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further wipe out those that stone homosexuals, oppress women, punish for adultery, blame rape on the woman, behead in public, March in the streets with signs saying behead those who insult Islam,practice genital mutilation, practice sharia law, marry a 9 year old and those who condone all this... i think we can reduce the population by about 1.3 billion.
 
shahfaisal said:
human rights should they follow theirs or europe's?

natives persecuted?? HELLO WE LIVE IN NORTH AMERICA.. so many natives were killed nobody bothered to count..makes the holocaust look like a needle in a haystack
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You seem to think i'm un aware and unsympathetic to native issues i am not. Saying we do that to is not a defence.

If the european version provides more freedom than that the superior one. EU does not have a perfect record on human rights its an ongoing process to develop it its not a set in stone thing.
 
sonnythebull said:
further wipe out those that stone homosexuals, oppress women, punish for adultery, blame rape on the woman, behead in public, March in the streets with signs saying behead those who insult Islam,practice genital mutilation, practice sharia law, marry a 9 year old and those who condone all this... i think we can reduce the population by about 1.3 billion.
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actually its more like 2.5 billion cause you included most of the practising orthodox(and catholic) christians and jews in it now
 
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Two50noob said:
You seem to think i'm un aware and unsympathetic to native issues i am not. Saying we do that to is not a defence.

If the european version provides more freedom than that the superior one. EU does not have a perfect record on human rights its an ongoing process to develop it its not a set in stone thing.
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european version provides more freedoms yes but irresponsible.. its not a balance... if everybody had the freedom to do anything we would all be dead..

like brian p said your rights stops where your fist meets your neighbours nose..

just dishing freedoms out is inherently dangerous
 
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shahfaisal said:
european version provides more freedoms yes but irresponsible.. its not a balance... if everybody had the freedom to do anything we would all be dead..
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Can you point of those things you think are irresponsible? Cause i disagree i think some things in what your calling EU human rights i think are probably already to restrictive.
 
Two50noob said:
Can you point of those things you think are irresponsible?
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again...ok.

for example.. freedom of speech

say what ever you want to /about whomever you want.. heck no
you have a right to speak the truth/// you don't have a right to lie and call it the truth.. especially when speaking publicly.. for example

as you stated.. its illegal in Malaysia to speak of anyones race or religion...
protects people from hate speech.. you really wanna make fun of someone make fun of your self.. jokers are legal in Malaysia
 
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shahfaisal said:
again...ok.

for example.. freedom of speech

say what ever you want to /about whomever you want.. heck no
you have a right to speak the truth/// you don't have a right to lie and call it the truth.. especially when speaking publicly.. for example
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say what ever you want to /about whomever you want - Yes absolutely the reasonable restriction here is printing liable laws are already in place you don't have a right not to be offended.
you have a right to speak the truth/// you don't have a right to lie and call it the truth - No you have the both right to tell the truth and lie. Lies are protected speech unless we are talking in some specific legal cases. If this was the case we would have outlaw children, teenager and politicians. Also some people say things that are lies but don't know they are they actually believe them
 
you know exactly what i mean.. you dont have the right to say someone has WMD's when in reality they don't and you know it.. look bush jr got away with it..
since you are speaking in legal terms.. no one has the right to intentionally misrepresent facts.. hows that

IMHO politicians should be outlawed would do a lot of good
 
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