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What nonsense, no one in their right mind would hire one of these clowns. *If they are overqualified like they think they are no HR person would touch them for the usual reasons of not hiring overqualified candidates. Not to mention that they won't fire union members to hire new people in the first place.
 
$100B in lost output to China coming home: BCG


A Boston Consulting Group study says seven sectors are reaching a tipping point that could bring 3 million jobs back to the US

BY PLANT STAFF ON October 27, 2011 1:19pm





A technician in a Shanghai computer manufacturing plant. Photo: Joe Terrett

CHICAGO: Sometimes proximity is a good thing. Manufacturing offshore in China for North American markets is not as cost-effective as it once was, and it appears some of the production lost to overseas locales may be coming back to the US.

New research from the Boston Consulting Group (BCG) in Chicago suggests transportation goods such as vehicles and auto parts, electrical equipment including household appliances, and furniture are among seven sectors that will reach a tipping point by 2015 and could create up to 3 million jobs as some of the manufacturing returns to North America. BCG expects the trend to accelerate starting in the next five years.

The “tipping point” is where China’s shrinking cost advantage should prompt companies to rethink where they produce certain goods meant for sale in North America. BCG said in many cases, companies will shift production back from China or choose to locate new investments in the US, which is also expected to become a more competitive export base for Europe and Canada.

“A surprising amount of work that rushed to China over the past decade could soon start to come back – and the economic impact could be significant,” said Harold Sirkin, a BCG senior partner and lead author of the analysis. “We’re on record predicting a US manufacturing renaissance starting by around 2015. Now we can be more specific about which industries will return and why.”

BCG’s research shows other sectors most likely to return are plastics and rubber products, machinery, fabricated metal products and computers/electronics. The seven groups together offer an additional $100 billion in output to the US economy and lower the US non-oil trade deficit by 20% to 35%.

The tipping-point sectors account for about $2 trillion in US consumption per year and about 70% of US imports from China, valued at nearly $200 billion in 2009. The job gains would come directly through added factory work and indirectly through supporting services, such as construction, transportation and retail says BCG.

“This does not mean that factories in China will close,” noted Michael Zinser, a BCG partner who leads the firm’s manufacturing work in the Americas. “Instead, more of their output will be consumed in the fast-growing domestic market and elsewhere in Asia.”

With Chinese wages rising at 15% to 20% per year and the value of the yuan continuing to appreciate against the dollar, the report predicted that the once-enormous labour-cost gap between Chinese coastal provinces and certain lower-cost US states will shrink to less than 40% by around 2015.

When higher US productivity, the actual labour content of a product, shipping, and other factors are taken into account, the cost advantage of making many goods in China that are bound for sale in the US will be marginal.

Chris Kuehl, economic analyst for the Rockford, Ill.-based Fabricators & Manufacturers Association Intl. (FMA), notes the rising costs of production in China has become a major concern for the Chinese.

“There is no way to reverse that trend without creating some serious social unrest in China. Wages and salaries have been going up fast in China – estimates are that wages have risen by more than 1,000% in the coastal regions just in the last year or so.”

He said the Chinese are losing ground to rivals in other parts of Asia and to nations such as Mexico, where wages have risen by less than 25%.

Transportation costs are also going up as the price of energy escalates, but he said there is also a supply chain issue of speed and accuracy. “It is far less reliable to ship by ocean cargo than by rail or truck, which gives an advantage to the producers that are on the same continent as their consumers.”

Greater productivity from the application technology and robotics has also allowed US employers to employ fewer people than in the past, while setting output records. “This has allowed the US to compete globally for manufacturing business and it has allowed many in the U.S. sector to regain some business from overseas suppliers.”

The research builds on an initial analysis that BCG released in May and further developed in an August report titled Made in America, Again: Why Manufacturing Will Return to the US.

The new analysis spells out what cost swings will mean to specific industry clusters. Sectors like apparel, footwear, and textiles will remain largely offshore because China and other low-wage nations will still enjoy large cost advantages.

The biggest impact will be felt in sectors in which wages account for a relatively small portion of total production costs and in which logistics costs and other factors such as shipping time and distance are critical.


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Except they ignore the cost of environmental and labour regulations. Plastic and rubber industries are going to stay where they can dump and spew and not have to worry about the safety of the workers, they will not move where the regulations for pollution are tighter (NA) and the work force is not disposable. Nor will they move to countries yapping about things like carbon taxes. The big picture is more than shipping costs and wages! Wishful thinking on their part.
 
What nonsense, no one in their right mind would hire one of these clowns. *If they are overqualified like they think they are no HR person would touch them for the usual reasons of not hiring overqualified candidates. Not to mention that they won't fire union members to hire new people in the first place.

What is utter nonsense is that an investment banker/trader on wallstreet would seek this kind of job to begin with. The reality is that the typical banker is an overachiever accustomed to competing in the most competitive industry in the world. They probably graduated at the top of their class from a top school like wharton/harvard, likely has a bachelor in another disclipline such as engineering/sciences, has a deep understanding of their sector coverage and is on a first name basis with CEO's in that industry. Do you really think they are going to go from making upper 6 to 7 figures a year to a sub-100k union or teaching job if they left Wallstreet? More likely than not they would set up their own firm or recruited to a an exec level job if they left the street.
 
What is utter nonsense is that an investment banker/trader on wallstreet would seek this kind of job to begin with. The reality is that the typical banker is an overachiever accustomed to competing in the most competitive industry in the world. They probably graduated at the top of their class from a top school like wharton/harvard, likely has a bachelor in another disclipline such as engineering/sciences, has a deep understanding of their sector coverage and is on a first name basis with CEO's in that industry. Do you really think they are going to go from making upper 6 to 7 figures a year to a sub-100k union or teaching job if they left Wallstreet? More likely than not they would set up their own firm or recruited to a an exec level job if they left the street.

Perhaps it's different here but in the UK your average banker was just a well-connected *********.
 
Another day of being whipsawed. Bought some stocks this morning. Sold some November call options on them this afternoon.
 
I agree with the sentiment but point number 6 needs clarification.

- Congress must not have any lawyers paid by taxpayers to defend the actions of any congressperson. In the event of legal action against any congressperson, that congressperson must pay their own lawyers out of their own money, the same as the common citizen has to. (Actually, the same should apply to all government employees, and that includes the police.)
- Whenever any law imposing a restriction on the American people is imposed, congress must act itself in accordance with the most stringent class of that restriction. For example, if congress requires 1% of all cars sold to be electric, then all congresspersons must drive an electric car for ALL of their official duties. If they impose an environmental law then all of the actions of congress shall be within the most stringent provisions of that law. If that restriction means that they can't do their job or live their life, then maybe they ought not to be imposing the restriction, because maybe it means the common person might not be able to do their job or live their life under that restriction, either.
 
Another day of being whipsawed. Bought some stocks this morning. Sold some November call options on them this afternoon.

First Greece is going to have a referendum, then the Greek government is going down, then they cancel the referendum, now the Greek government is up in the air. Bought some more stocks, sold some more call options on them, also sold some call options that I bought a couple months back when the market was in the doldrums and had now become seriously in the money. November expiration is only two weeks away, but option premiums are crazy in this market. Works for me $ $ $
 
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First Greece is going to have a referendum, then the Greek government is going down, then they cancel the referendum, now the Greek government is up in the air. Bought some more stocks, sold some more call options on them, also sold some call options that I bought a couple months back when the market was in the doldrums and had now become seriously in the money. November expiration is only two weeks away, but option premiums are crazy in this market. Works for me $ $ $
 
What is utter nonsense is that an investment banker/trader on wallstreet would seek this kind of job to begin with. The reality is that the typical banker is an overachiever accustomed to competing in the most competitive industry in the world. They probably graduated at the top of their class from a top school like wharton/harvard, likely has a bachelor in another disclipline such as engineering/sciences, has a deep understanding of their sector coverage and is on a first name basis with CEO's in that industry. Do you really think they are going to go from making upper 6 to 7 figures a year to a sub-100k union or teaching job if they left Wallstreet? More likely than not they would set up their own firm or recruited to a an exec level job if they left the street.

don't think so:

According to the US Dept of Labor, here are the college requirements and skills needed to be a stock broker (also known as securities or commodities sales agents):

College Education Needed:
Because securities and commodities sales agents must be knowledgeable about economic conditions and trends, a college education is important, especially in larger securities firms. In fact, the overwhelming majority of workers in this occupation are college graduates. Although employers seldom require specialized academic training, courses in business administration, economics, and finance are helpful.

Personal Qualities:
Many employers consider personal qualities and skills more important than academic training. Employers seek applicants who have considerable sales ability, good interpersonal and communication skills, and a strong desire to succeed. Some employers also make sure that applicants have a good credit history and a clean record. Self-confidence and an ability to handle frequent rejections are important ingredients for success.

Personal/Work background preferred:
Because maturity and the ability to work independently are important, many employers prefer to hire those who have achieved success in other jobs. Most firms prefer candidates with sales experience, particularly those who have worked on commission in areas such as real estate or insurance. Therefore, most entrants to this occupation transfer from other jobs. Some begin working as securities and commodities sales agents following retirement from other fields.

Licensing needed:
Securities and commodities sales agents must meet State licensing requirements, which usually include passing an examination and, in some cases, furnishing a personal bond. In addition, sales agents must register as representatives of their firm with the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. (NASD). Before beginners can qualify as registered representatives, they must pass the General Securities Registered Representative Examination (Series 7 exam), administered by the NASD, and be an employee of a registered firm for at least 4 months.

Most States require a second examination—the Uniform Securities Agents State Law Examination. This test measures the prospective representative’s knowledge of the securities business in general, customer protection requirements, and recordkeeping procedures. Many take correspondence courses in preparation for the securities examinations. Within 2 years, brokers are encouraged to take additional licensing exams in order to sell mutual funds, insurance, and commodities.

Where do you get training for these certs?:
Most employers provide on-the-job training to help securities and commodities sales agents meet the registration requirements for certification. In most firms, the training period takes about 4 months. Trainees in large firms may receive classroom instruction in securities analysis, effective speaking, and the finer points of selling; may take courses offered by business schools and associations; and may undergo a period of on-the-job training lasting up to 2 years. Many firms like to rotate their trainees among various departments, to give them a broad perspective of the securities business. In small firms, sales agents often receive training in outside institutions and on the job.
 
First Greece is going to have a referendum, then the Greek government is going down, then they cancel the referendum, now the Greek government is up in the air.

I have to admit when I heard Greece wanted to have a referendum, I laughed. Talk about arguing who gets to keep the china plates on the titanic.


Anyway, here's an article on the cluster**** that is Greece

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2011/11/01/18907081.html
 
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Good article. This is what it eventually comes to, when political leaders don't make the tough, unpopular decisions. The austerity measures are not popular with the Greek population. If the referendum had resulted in turning down the austerity measures (which is likely) then Greece would have been cut off from any further outside aid.

What a mess. Keep in mind that Greece is only the beginning. Keep in mind that another country that is guilty of spending far beyond what it is taking in ... is the USA.

If you think government bonds are secure investments, think again.
 
I agree with the sentiment but point number 6 needs clarification.

- Congress must not have any lawyers paid by taxpayers to defend the actions of any congressperson. In the event of legal action against any congressperson, that congressperson must pay their own lawyers out of their own money, the same as the common citizen has to. (Actually, the same should apply to all government employees, and that includes the police.)
- Whenever any law imposing a restriction on the American people is imposed, congress must act itself in accordance with the most stringent class of that restriction. For example, if congress requires 1% of all cars sold to be electric, then all congresspersons must drive an electric car for ALL of their official duties. If they impose an environmental law then all of the actions of congress shall be within the most stringent provisions of that law. If that restriction means that they can't do their job or live their life, then maybe they ought not to be imposing the restriction, because maybe it means the common person might not be able to do their job or live their life under that restriction, either.

i think your first point, while having merit on its surface, would cause most people to quit running for public office.

the sad truth is that people in public office would attract even more spurious and vexatious litigation if the people who brought them knew that they could only defend themselves with their own pocketbook. the u.s. is simply too litigious, and until that mindset changes, to force congressional politicians to face the **** storm without protection is potentially ruinous.

for example, there was a guy who filed over 8000 lawsuits from his cell in prison. . .this guy would go to town on the congresspersons in his district if he knew that the congressperson had no additional means by which to defend themselves. is this right? is this fair? doesn't matter.
 
Good article. This is what it eventually comes to, when political leaders don't make the tough, unpopular decisions. The austerity measures are not popular with the Greek population. If the referendum had resulted in turning down the austerity measures (which is likely) then Greece would have been cut off from any further outside aid.

What a mess. Keep in mind that Greece is only the beginning. Keep in mind that another country that is guilty of spending far beyond what it is taking in ... is the USA.

If you think government bonds are secure investments, think again.

Speaking of which, here's another article that might interest you: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Features/2011/11/01/18909546.html

By no means is the USA out of the woods, but I think the EU has more cracks in it than the USA. Greece is being bailed out by other EU countries that are themselves in serious debt. It's a house of cards there. If Greece falls, are the other PIIGS not far behind? I love my people (Italy), but we are not capable of running a country democratically.
 
Speaking of which, here's another article that might interest you: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Features/2011/11/01/18909546.html

By no means is the USA out of the woods, but I think the EU has more cracks in it than the USA. Greece is being bailed out by other EU countries that are themselves in serious debt. It's a house of cards there. If Greece falls, are the other PIIGS not far behind? I love my people (Italy), but we are not capable of running a country democratically.

Some european countries baffle me..In Greece it was a national pastime to avoid paying taxes....now look what happens and they are moaning about it. In Italy they continually vote in the crooked buffoon Berlusconi...the laughing stock of europe. I give up sometimes.
 
Some european countries baffle me..In Greece it was a national pastime to avoid paying taxes....now look what happens and they are moaning about it. In Italy they continually vote in the crooked buffoon Berlusconi...the laughing stock of europe. I give up sometimes.

You've really got to wonder about Greece. Early retirement, with a large percentage of your last annual income? If no one is paying into the system, then where does that money come from? The EU bail-out should be contingent upon chasing tax dodgers, or they'll be supporting the country until Kingdom Come.
 
Letting the Greeks decide in a referendum is a perfect case of "the lunatics running the asylum"
 
Letting the Greeks decide in a referendum is a perfect case of "the lunatics running the asylum"

When I heard that they were talking about a referendum, I couldn't figure out what it would be about. What would the question be; Do you want to take someone else's money, or do you want us to degenerate to "Road Warrior" governance?
 

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