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Noise restrictions bylaw coming for Oakville

JFD said:
Nope, you read further into it yourself. But I do know where you're trying to take it...

I noted about being in parkinglots and not revving it up unnecessarily. Me, i have a bad habit of keeping revs low (econ car driving menatlity).
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And others don't.

This issue comes up time and time again. Posters here mention how they're respectful to their neighbours by short-shifting on their way out, coasting in under no power, even some saying that they go so far as to push their bike past the windows of their neighbours early in the morning.

However, at some point, the engine is turned on, the revs go up, and noise emanates out of a pipe that is much much louder than stock. It might not happen until you are past your immediate neighbours' homes, but it will happen. In the GTA and most of southern Ontario, that means that someone somewhere will have to put up with that excess and completely unnecessary noise coming out of someone's motorcycle no matter how "respectful" that rider may be in their immediate neighbourhood.

A poster early on in this thread mentioned the saying "don't crap where you eat", which by implication suggests that it's ok to pollute just about anywhere else. If a person recognizes that something is socially unacceptable enough that they avoid doing it in the vicinity of their neighbours or places they want to keep frequenting in future, then perhaps they should also reconsider whether it is socially acceptable doing so anywhere else as well.
 
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fastar1 said:
The ever increasing childish population.
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Bang on.

Also, with increasing urbanization and population densities in the southern Ontario region, things that might have been tolerated twenty years ago will have a whole lot more impact on a whole lot more people these days, and as a result may no longer be tolerated as they once might have been.

If someone still wants to do these things, go where there are no people to be impacted by it. Oh wait, that won't work, will it? Where's the childish fun in doing something socially unacceptable if there is no audience around to gasp in "awe" and "appreciation" of the show?
 
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AFJ said:
It was apparently too hard for him to get the motorcycle to hold at 2000 rpm to get a consistent reading on the sound meter.

It begins to look to me like the J2825 test method works OK for SAE engineering types and other people with a scientific testing background and training. But that accurate implementation of it in practical situations may be more difficult. Several of the motorcycle noise cases in Edmonton last year were dismissed on the basis of improper testing procedures done by the police.

AFJ
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The inability to hold exactly, precisely, the specified engine RPM is something of an issue. The actual J2825 standard should specify the acceptable tolerance on this. If it doesn't (I don't have the text of the standard), it's incomplete and impractical to apply.

The way it should work is that if the engine is shown to emit less than the threshold dB at any steady RPM known to be higher than the test speed or while increasing in revs through the test speed (regardless of the rate at which revs are increasing), pass it. If the engine is shown to emit more than the threshold dB at any steady RPM known to be lower than the test speed, fail it. If it is done this way then the accuracy of being able to hold the test RPM will only be relevant for the borderline cases, which would most likely be thrown out due to measurement inaccuracy anyway, so pass them but issue a warning (no court date).

I suspect that the idle test alone will be good enough to weed out the gross offenders anyway.

edit: All of my bikes passed the idle test by a fair to large margin, including the race bike, which has an ordinary Hindle glass pack muffler with no noise-reducing insert.
 
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I can understand the inability to hold a Harley police bike at a steady rpm. The carburated bikes are notorious for missing; so much so that the early EFI versions were 'too smooth' for the faithful and a certain amount of miss-fire was ultimately engineered in.
 
This is the point exactly.

turbodish said:
And others don't.

This issue comes up time and time again. Posters here mention how they're respectful to their neighbours by short-shifting on their way out, coasting in under no power, even some saying that they go so far as to push their bike past the windows of their neighbours early in the morning.

However, at some point, the engine is turned on, the revs go up, and noise emanates out of a pipe that is much much louder than stock. It might not happen until you are past your immediate neighbours' homes, but it will happen. In the GTA and most of southern Ontario, that means that someone somewhere will have to put up with that excess and completely unnecessary noise coming out of someone's motorcycle no matter how "respectful" that rider may be in their immediate neighbourhood.

A poster early on in this thread mentioned the saying "don't crap where you eat", which by implication suggests that it's ok to pollute just about anywhere else. If a person recognizes that something is socially unacceptable enough that they avoid doing it in the vicinity of their neighbours or places they want to keep frequenting in future, then perhaps they should also reconsider whether it is socially acceptable doing so anywhere else as well.
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turbodish said:
And others don't.

This issue comes up time and time again. Posters here mention how they're respectful to their neighbours by short-shifting on their way out, coasting in under no power, even some saying that they go so far as to push their bike past the windows of their neighbours early in the morning.

However, at some point, the engine is turned on, the revs go up, and noise emanates out of a pipe that is much much louder than stock. It might not happen until you are past your immediate neighbours' homes, but it will happen. In the GTA and most of southern Ontario, that means that someone somewhere will have to put up with that excess and completely unnecessary noise coming out of someone's motorcycle no matter how "respectful" that rider may be in their immediate neighbourhood.

A poster early on in this thread mentioned the saying "don't crap where you eat", which by implication suggests that it's ok to pollute just about anywhere else. If a person recognizes that something is socially unacceptable enough that they avoid doing it in the vicinity of their neighbours or places they want to keep frequenting in future, then perhaps they should also reconsider whether it is socially acceptable doing so anywhere else as well.
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Reason why ppl are given breaks by the cops is because some stuff is just fun to do. Like i said, I have had a pipe on all my bikes. I don' tgo unnecessarily revving especially by residentials. Now if you're gonna go splitting hairs and say that ppl live 'everywhere' you go, then the entire thread doesn't need to go on.

I guess I'll just say I think i have reasonable expectations/standards that you don't go blaring through neighbourhoods, and you don't go revving in a parkinglot for no reason. I'll open it up on the on-ramps of course for fun, but I don't mind if i'm disturbing a few passerbys in the process (loose humour).

for the record, I think that pushing your bike outta your hood thing is ridiculous. The 10 seconds you hear my bike leaving from or returning to the neighbourhood under normal power isn't unreasonable. I agree with your overall sentiment, however you seem to be turning a blind 'thought' to the common sense of those that would/could/should be bothered by it.

Now I think in areas like the forks, they have a different case. You got bikes blowing by there often and many cause earbleeding results...that'd just piss me off if I lived there too, cuz ppl are doing joyrides there, not just passing through.
 
for the record, I think that pushing your bike outta your hood thing is ridiculous. The 10 seconds you hear my bike leaving from or returning to the neighbourhood under normal power isn't unreasonable. I agree with your overall sentiment, however you seem to be turning a blind 'thought' to the common sense of those that would/could/should be bothered by it.

The "ten seconds of you hear my bike leaving..." is enough to wake a two year old up screaming, or a shift worker out of his or her already to short of sleep cycle and unfortunatly there are people out there that rev bikes in parking lots and down residental streets because "they dont mind disterbing a few passerbys in the process", ....
 
My bike has a big engine with a redline of 6750 rpm. It would be interesting to see what would happen if I were asked to undergo such testing if I expressed concern at a police officer holding my bike at 5000 rpm for the test? The chances of any ensuing damage are remote but holding any engine near redline with no load on it is never good. Would the local council be prepared to pay for any resultant damages? I think this is a valid point and expect most testing will opt for the idle test. Bottom line though is still to keep your vehicle within reasonable limits and don't attract the kind of attention that reqires testing in the first place.
 
Tripletrouble said:
My bike has a big engine with a redline of 6750 rpm. It would be interesting to see what would happen if I were asked to undergo such testing if I expressed concern at a police officer holding my bike at 5000 rpm for the test? The chances of any ensuing damage are remote but holding any engine near redline with no load on it is never good. Would the local council be prepared to pay for any resultant damages? I think this is a valid point and expect most testing will opt for the idle test. Bottom line though is still to keep your vehicle within reasonable limits and don't attract the kind of attention that reqires testing in the first place.
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but don't forget. in this contry you have the RIGHT to not do anything that might incriminate yourself.
every time cops wanted to get under the hood of my car. i would say "i want a warrent and my lawyer" and that usualy endid the conversaytion.
so if some cop want me to rev my engine they can bite me there not getting it
 
freedomfighter said:
in this contry you have the RIGHT to not do anything that might incriminate yourself....so if some cop want me to rev my engine they can bite me there not getting it
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I am wondering if the by-law is written to include something similar to the "fail to provide a breath sample" as in the impaired legislation. If so, you would get an automatic fail and then have waste your time to go to court to defend yourself.

I am glad my current bike has the original extremely quiet pipes so I don't need to worry about this latest concern. My bike is almost stealth-mode quiet and this saved me from a speeding ticket last summer. I had rounded a corner on Hockley Road in a slightly higher than acceptable rate of speed and spotted an OPP officer standing in a driveway less than 150 metres up the road. However, by the time the officer heard me coming, looked in my direction and pointed his hand-held at me, I had already scrubbed off enough speed to just ride by and nod at him.

I have had bikes in the past that I thought were quiet, my FJ600 with the Yosh pipe was OK at most times of the day, but was loud enough to wake my neighbour when I started it in the early mornings to head to work. He actually commented once that my next bike, a GS1150EF with Wolf pipes was much more quiet and did not wake him when I left early in the morning. I was surprised to hear the FJ woke him as I always tried to keep the revs down and did not warm it up for more than a minute or so before leaving in a slow controlled manner. So, even if you do try to keep the sound down it can still be an annoyance in your own neighbourhood.
 
freedomfighter said:
but don't forget. in this contry you have the RIGHT to not do anything that might incriminate yourself.
every time cops wanted to get under the hood of my car. i would say "i want a warrent and my lawyer" and that usualy endid the conversaytion.
so if some cop want me to rev my engine they can bite me there not getting it
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You are in the wrong country.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Well, technically speaking, we also have the right not to incriminate ourselves. We simply apply it differently. It doesn't really apply in the stated situation though.
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This was the situation I was talkinga bout =P no one is compelling him to testify
 
gwelfmike said:
The "ten seconds of you hear my bike leaving..." is enough to wake a two year old up screaming, or a shift worker out of his or her already to short of sleep cycle and unfortunatly there are people out there that rev bikes in parking lots and down residental streets because "they dont mind disterbing a few passerbys in the process", ....
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If you live in an area similar to where I do, every ten seconds there is somebody going by with that mentality and a set of loud pipes.
 
Rob MacLennan said:
Well, technically speaking, we also have the right not to incriminate ourselves. We simply apply it differently. It doesn't really apply in the stated situation though.
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well since the charter of right will protect 9 dirty cops from facing over 1000 criminal charges (due to it taking to long to bring them to trial) so when the charter will protect them for something so big, your telling us that it wont protect us from something so small as traffic....are there any REAL lawyers on this site to clear this up?
 
freedomfighter said:
well since the charter of right will protect 9 dirty cops from facing over 1000 criminal charges (due to it taking to long to bring them to trial) so when the charter will protect them for something so big, your telling us that it wont protect us from something so small as traffic....are there any REAL lawyers on this site to clear this up?
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Two things: You must admit that there's a little more going on, where you're concerned, than a simple police stop for noise. A 'real lawyer' already did respond to you. I was replying to HIM.
 
freedomfighter said:
well since the charter of right will protect 9 dirty cops from facing over 1000 criminal charges (due to it taking to long to bring them to trial) so when the charter will protect them for something so big, your telling us that it wont protect us from something so small as traffic....are there any REAL lawyers on this site to clear this up?
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There is nothing about a stop for noise that invokes Charter rights other than 10a. which is right for you to be notified of why you are detained.
10b is for the most part suspended during routine traffic stops unless it becomes more than just a traffic stop. ( see the cases re: RIDE program.)

While you can probably refuse to rev your engine or allow the cop to do so, the cop does still have courses of action, all of which are a bigger pain in the *** than a noise ticket. ( turbo has summarized these often enough before and I don't feel like repeating them)
So in the end, its your choice.
 
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