I think you reap what you sow 99 percent of the time and MOST people got what they deserved.
No accountability yet for G20 Toronto Police Crimes
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I think you reap what you sow 99 percent of the time and MOST people got what they deserved.
I'm with Sonny's replies to this thread all the way.
Because they are not allowed to participate in anti-government actions?
Because they don't want to go down town and smash out the windows of a storefront and **** the store owner for something he didn't do and isn't to blame for?
Because they know that it costs millions in tax money to pay for the security?
Because they know Canada crying about oppression is a ****ing joke?
maybe they were hoping some of the younger generations would give a damn, instead of ignoring the clear violations that took place.
people can go on being ignorant, but the facts are slowly coming out:
---officers are being charged, both under the police act and criminally.
---class action lawsuits are in the works.
---the police chief has admitted that 90+ officers broke the law by removing their identity badges.
. . .and so on.
. . .1000+ people were detained, and less than 100 were charged. . .why?
. . .video evidence of not one but two incidents of kettling, a procedure that ensnared innocent people, including RESIDENTS that live in those neighbourhoods. . .apparently you can be illegally detained for living in the 'wrong' area--which was btw, over a mile away from the protected zone that the illegal law supposedly created. . .
but no, apparently there are people that think all of this is just fine, peachy keen.
those vets, who fought against fascism and secret police, with secret laws, did so to maintain our freedoms, not see them trampled like they were worthless.
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I get your point, but I am not sure you got what I was getting at.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/05/17/g20-officers-discipline.html
Misconduct charges are expected against 45 Toronto police officers involved in the G20 summit two years ago, including five senior officers, one of them the commander who gave the notorious order to "kettle" protesters.
A copy of an investigative report by the provincial watchdog agency, the Office of the Independent Police Review Director, was provided to CBC News by one of the 37 people who filed complaints about their treatment during the kettling incident.
The report says some of the responsibility for detaining several hundred people for four hours in the rain goes all the way to the top, to Toronto police Chief Bill Blair and Deputy Chief Tony Warr, though it falls short of mandating charges against them.
Fenton's order to keep the group of protesters, bystanders and even some journalists boxed in at Queen Street West and Spadina Avenue "in a severe rain storm that included thunder and lightning was unreasonable, unnecessary and unlawful," according to the document. It violated the detainees' constitutional right against arbitrary detention and was negligent, the 276-page report says.But the report says operational responsibility lies with Supt. Mark Fenton, one of two Toronto officers who served as "incident commanders" during the G20 and had control of officers in streets. He is expected to face two charges: discreditable conduct and unlawful use of authority.
Misconduct charges are expected against 45 Toronto police officers involved in the G20 summit two years ago, including five senior officers, one of them the commander who gave the notorious order to "kettle" protesters.
A copy of an investigative report by the provincial watchdog agency, the Office of the Independent Police Review Director, was provided to CBC News by one of the 37 people who filed complaints about their treatment during the kettling incident.
The report says some of the responsibility for detaining several hundred people for four hours in the rain goes all the way to the top, to Toronto police Chief Bill Blair and Deputy Chief Tony Warr, though it falls short of mandating charges against them.
Fenton's order to keep the group of protesters, bystanders and even some journalists boxed in at Queen Street West and Spadina Avenue "in a severe rain storm that included thunder and lightning was unreasonable, unnecessary and unlawful," according to the document. It violated the detainees' constitutional right against arbitrary detention and was negligent, the 276-page report says.But the report says operational responsibility lies with Supt. Mark Fenton, one of two Toronto officers who served as "incident commanders" during the G20 and had control of officers in streets. He is expected to face two charges: discreditable conduct and unlawful use of authority.
So, charges are pending for those those who broke the law. At what point is the general public satisfied? For how long does the hand-wringing continue?
So he may be charged.
BTW 306 people were charged. Not 100 of the 1000 you stated.
Also, there is no LAW about name tags. Feel free to quote the LAW about them though. It's a policy. A McDonalds employee has to wear a name tag. You can see the difference right?
Every officer had their badge number predominantly displayed for identification purposes. I can understand not wanting their names displayed to criminals and terrorists. They don't want their familys to be put at risk. A choice they made. Pretty sure they got hammered for it already.
Why not post your full name on this forum? Don't want people like STB finding Albert Fong and harassing you?
Na, you like the anonymity as much as these guys. I don't see any name tags here either....
But these are just peaceful protesters trying to have their voices heard.
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Don't play the passive aggressive. You have traded enough insults here to prove you both act like children. Only difference I see is STB will say to your face what he will say online.
police do have a choice, as witnessed by the acts of some officers that drew a line between right and wrong. there are good cops.
they have only charged a small percentage of those responsible. does anyone think that the tps will actually learn from this and, if put into the same situation again by harper do things dramatically different? you are a real optimist.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/22/six-plead-guilty-to-g20-mischief-charges/
1118 arrests, 330 charged, half of those charges dropped or stayed, not to mention the trials that exonerated many of those remaining 150 or so.
is this not the worst record in the history of policing? does that not tell you that a gross abuse of arrest powers took place?
when all is said and done, it will probably be below a 10% conviction rate, if that.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2010/11/04/toronto-g20-police-badges.html
hiding their identities when they choose to "serve and protect" the public is very different from the internet, don't you think?
why doesn't sonny f-o-b or you, d23, identify yourself fully on this site? perhaps for the same reasons i don't?
and if criminals want to be criminal and stalk and harass (both criminal acts) others on the internet or in real life, you'd think people would find that objectionable (members, mods, you).
are you encouraging and condoning sonny's behaviour in this regard?
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Yeah, actually, I *do* think they'd do many things differently. Do you think TPS members are overly happy with how things went down those two days? PR-wise I can't think of any recent event that has damaged the police force's confidence with the public as much as this.
Unless of course you're one of those who subscribe to this conspiracy theory that top brass were in cahoots with politicians to use this as deliberate exercise to erode civil liberties in order to incrementally implement a police state. For those who truly believe that - you give ENTIRELY too much credit to those in power.
Compare what? An Italian cartoon to violent terrorists attacking government property and innocent peoples businesses?
Don't see how they compare.
Try harder.
The professional response (by police management), when tasked with this and not having enough time to prepare, should have been to state that they could not do what they were being asked to do, in the time available to do it. Ordinarily this would have been done in private, but with ample notes records taken so that there was no uncertainty that they were not pleased with the situation and would prefer not to have to take responsibility for it. (I've seen no evidence that this was done.)
Failing that, the professional response by any individual officer, should have been not unlike this. Tasked with something that violates individual constitutional rights, they should have either refused, or made it VERY clearly known that they disagreed with the course of action.
Stuff like this is part of being "professional", and it really doesn't matter what the profession happens to be.
Actually the media has focused on the police, not the terrorists. If you google G20 you see hundreds of pictures of the police and a few pictures of the ******** trashing the storefronts and assaulting reporters.....
But I guess you saw a cartoon about another country so.... yea, what you said.
But I guess you saw a cartoon about another country so.... yea, what you said.
