Come out and ride with us.. you may not know it but we do ride with you....People who feel excluded from the group need not apply. It's not a debate; its the organizing of a ride. it's also no different from the various Christian rides, ex-pat Brit rides, Maritimer rides, cruiser rides, vintage bike rides, Euro bike rides, and the like that I've seen around. No one seems to make much of a fuss about them so if this thread doesn't apply to you, I suggest that you move along.