Even Rossi's claims against MM need be taken seriously because he's got a lot to lose from false unprovable allegations. Anyway, big cheeses already admit Rossi's right that MM broke unwritten rules.
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MotoGP 2015
- Thread starter johnscruiser
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Even Rossi's claims against MM need be taken seriously because he's got a lot to lose from false unprovable allegations. Anyway, big cheeses already admit Rossi's right that MM broke unwritten rules.
Doubt AI to Yamaha, a while ago i would have been sure that Pol Spargaro would take over for the next available spot but not sure anymore.
I think the next factory rider for either of the two main factories is going to be Vinales
I would love to see MM and Stoner mano a mano, once Stoner comes back and gets the spider webs out. I really dislike Stoner but I don't think there is a better rider except maybe for MM... personalities and ****** baggery aside.
Why do spectators place any kind of premium on riders personalities aside from on track indiscretions? Do they feel they'd be acknowledged by superstar standing beside them at the urinals, assuming of course superstar would be caught dead in most places the unwashed gather?
lator-illa
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Yeah, the same Mike Webb who said that MM wasn't sandbagging in PI (where everyone seems to be in consensus that Marquez was)
If Lorenzo gets sacked from Yamaha, i'd want Vinales to go there! I don't think Pol deserves that seat, even though he's been primed as the next in line. Heck Bradley Smith has been more consistent than him.
I can't see which team Lorenzo would go to though...I don't see him in Honda so probably retire. lol
MM practically inherited stoner's bike and crew, imo that's what carried him to victory for 2 years when dani (arm pump, etc.) and the yamaha (seamless gearbox) were both struggling.
not to mention stoner was the only one to take a title with the Duc for more than 10 years, after rossi's switcheroo, that's kinda hard to top as "best rider"
OK, well I`ll put my best argument on the table and then let it go because, well , that's all I can do. I've plotted 6 races now, laying out the 2013 Valencia GP where everybody agrees JLo was sandbagging.
Not much to explain here, except it's interesting to see when Marquez let Pedrosa past and then they both trundled around casually to the end of the race.
The other races where there was sandbagging were Losail, P.I., and yes, Sepang. Basically, the pattern at Sepang is the reverse of JLo in 2013, where MM was fast to begin and then suddenly slows.
The other thing you should note is that JLo passed MM at the start of the second lap, and then they passed the pits again (therefore seeing the pit boards) before VR passed him on lap 3. Watch the race again, there was no challenge to MM until after he passed the pit board. (In P.I. Marquez slowed down only once Rossi passed him the very first time). Also keep in mind that MM's pace is in question from the start of Sepang. His pace in the first few laps may or may not indicate his real potential if his strategy was to just follow Pedrosa until the Yamahas caught up and then deal with them accordingly.
So the big question for you I think is, when two riders clash like that, don't they slow each other down? And the answer is not anywhere near that much. Sometimes a rider can pass easily, without costing anybody any time, sometimes it's a big struggle that can shave a second or so off the lap. I have the example of Argentina handy because there was a lot of speed change and different passes to observe due to the tire choice being a big compromise one way or the other.
Here there's a lot to observe. For one, the variation in speed due to tire performance takes place very gradually, forming smooth curves on the graph as each rider benefits or suffers from their tire choice over the whole race.
The other thing is that the passes are made and then done. Each rider's trace continues to move smoothly in the same pattern as before. There was also a close-fought battle between Crutchlow and Iannone in which they passed each other four times. Unfortunately I can't find any video or reported account of the dice they were having, probably because everyone was focused on the battle for the lead. But you can see two occasions where their performance drops precipitously while racing each other. These are very unusual to begin with, but there are several aspects that make those drops in performance look like nothing compared to the drops cause by Marquez's "racing" in the last two rounds.
- Compared to all the above traces, in Australia Marquez's trend line changed suddenly and frequently (In Sepang, he didn't do enough laps to form a tire performance trend).
- When the racing is real, the drop in lap times occurs over only one sector. Marquez caused riders to lose speed for several consecutive sectors. Even entire laps at a time.
- After the pass, the racers each resume the same speed they were doing before the pass. When Marquez was done his supposed 'racing' that slowed people down, twice his speed increased significantly over the speed he had been running before.
- In the case of Argentina above, Crutchlow and Iannone were racing on their own, so they could afford to take some additional risk by making big block passes or other aggressive moves that slow down their pace because they weren't at risk of being passed by anyone else. In a group of riders, any passing move would need to be done efficiently to avoid losing a position or two. When Marquez was 'racing' Rossi, there were other riders around but the only efficient passing was performed by Jorge.
An interesting thing about the last chart; Marques is shown one second behind Rossi before he crashes out, yet they were side by side for the whole lap. It turns out that he crashed right before the second sector timing line, and his bike crossed the line sliding down the road on its side, one second after Rossi crossed it!
If you have any remaining doubt about the effects of close racing, here's another graph of the very close battle between Rossi and Pedrosa at Aragon.
They were racing closely from the very start and towards the end it got really dicey between the two of them. But they never lost the kind of time that other riders lost around Marquez these last two races. There isn't much more competitive and honest racing than what we saw between these two in Aragon.
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Yet another petition was born: https://www.change.org/p/motogp-dor...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink
sempre1
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In my opinion when Motogp goes to Valencia on Thursday "in the press conference" Rossi and Marquez should shake hands as when Rossi made with Max Biaggi long time a go, there would seem only fair 'at least things will calm down. Don't you guys think it will be better after all??
Why create more negative pressure to each other?
Why create more negative pressure to each other?
lator-illa
Well-known member
Well that was quite comprehensive. Clearly, you have a lot of time on your hands. 
With regards to the pit board thing, I don't think we're watching the same race lol.
Here's an ideal solution for Valencia: Get rid of Vale's penalty and have him qualify as normal. Minus 7 points from his championship total so he and Lorenzo are even. May the best man win and hope it gets to the final corner!
With regards to the pit board thing, I don't think we're watching the same race lol.
Here's an ideal solution for Valencia: Get rid of Vale's penalty and have him qualify as normal. Minus 7 points from his championship total so he and Lorenzo are even. May the best man win and hope it gets to the final corner!
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This one: https://www.change.org/p/motogp-rac...pionship-49da4f09-7682-4987-aa70-a869d5b05605
is at 484, 300 and counting. if 1/2 those people cancelled their MotoGP subscriptions that would get people's attention.
Ha, I'm at 100% and if the grid is slow getting off I'll kill some time imagining sex with some of them in order of appearance.
Pretty good View in slow motion and from the top
https://www.facebook.com/gabrielgorriz/videos/10156132971685414/?fref=nf
https://www.facebook.com/gabrielgorriz/videos/10156132971685414/?fref=nf
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Uhm, the topic is grid girls. Please post subject-appropriate video only. Slow motion from the top is acceptable.
As you wish commander
[video=youtube;omnjWnYvsEI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omnjWnYvsEI[/video]
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