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There is a difference between the production/for sale VIN's and the non-production/prototype, etc cars. Unfortunately most mules with non-production VIN's end up as small square boxes once GM is done with them.

I know that. I was just helping another poster with some clarification.
I've been to the dealer, and was going to order one, and put a deposit down. Hoop jumping is not my thing, and I want the NCM option, that is scheduled to be offered again starting in Sept.
 
Does that make the C7 a piece of junk that GM should be embarrassed about? Um, nope.

Um, where did I say it was junk. You quoted me to answer something someone else said?

Good job.

And yet you write that the corvette sucks because a barge happened to post better numbers

Again, nope. Didn't write that at all. Maybe you should go back to the start of this thread and read my other comments about the C7 but, you might then find out that I don't think it's junk at all so do so at your own risk of foot in mouth. :)


C7 base car doesn't have carbon brakes so what are you saying? Since nobody has tested the C7 on the track lap after lap I can only say that I bet the C7 will have less brake fade than the S8.

I'm saying the S8 does...... facepalm.jpg

And after 20 laps I'm also saying Carbo Ceramic brakes will show better performance than steel. Obviously. We'll obvious to some.

Good job.

Also, really good job of eliminating the S8 because it's not as good on a track then saying the Atom isn't either because it's better on a track. Stellar performance buds.....

Since you are now pulling comparisons of older Vettes into a comparison of two cars it's obvious you are getting a little desperate here. Also your 70-0 stopping specs aren't from the new S8, they're from the old one.

LOL

So yea....... When it gets this sad I tend to just default to "congratulations, you're the bestest at cars" and let you go on making stuff up that suits your argument.

Here's your trophy.

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Um, where did I say it was junk. You quoted me to answer something someone else said?
Good job.

Didn't quote you, wasn't quoting. I making the statement that just because the S8 has a better 0-60 time it doesn't make the C7 junk nor should GM be embarrassed about it. Capice?

Again, nope. Didn't write that at all. Maybe you should go back to the start of this thread and read my other comments about the C7 but, you might then find out that I don't think it's junk at all so do so at your own risk of foot in mouth. :)

None of what I posted was directed specifically nor only nor personally at you. I'm posting about general statements in this thread that my also have been inferred by you that for some reason the C7 is slow or GM should be embarrassed about because is supposedly can't beat an S8 in 0-60 times.


I'm saying the S8 does...... facepalm.jpg

And after 20 laps I'm also saying Carbo Ceramic brakes will show better performance than steel. Obviously. We'll obvious to some.

Good job.

Thanks for clarifying, your post wasn't entirely clear that it was the S8 that you were indicating had the carbon brakes. But now to compare a carbon brake car with steel brakes wouldn't be an entirely fair comparison now would it?

Also, really good job of eliminating the S8 because it's not as good on a track then saying the Atom isn't either because it's better on a track. Stellar performance buds.....

I'm not eliminating the S8. I believe (but I'm sure you'll jump on me if I'm wrong) that I've only posted about S8 vs corvette(s). My comment on the Arial was based on someone posting can go 0-60 in 2.5-2.9 (because I had commented on production cars getting close to the limits of physics and said poster (not you) brought in other non-comparable cars into the discussion). I don't believe that because an arial can go 0-60 in 2.9 makes the S8 slow, or something audi should be embarrassed about or whatever. I also don't think that in an S8 to corvette discussion (that's what we're doing right?) that anything an Ariel can do is relevant.

Since you are now pulling comparisons of older Vettes into a comparison of two cars it's obvious you are getting a little desperate here. Also your 70-0 stopping specs aren't from the new S8, they're from the old one.
LOL

Any reference to "older" vettes was to compare actual production car real driver stats to magazine S8 stats. For those that claim (not you), that the S8 beats a C7 (which may in fact be true when comparing magazine specs), also need to simply be aware that there are "older" vettes that are bone stock not only matching but smoking a S8.

So yea....... When it gets this sad I tend to just default to "congratulations, you're the bestest at cars" and let you go on making stuff up that suits your argument.

Thanks for your vote of confidence.

And just so we're clear on my position regardless of what you may or may not have said. I personally don't think that just because a S8 with more power, AWD, carbon brakes, and the like, that may or may not have specific performance specs that are better than a C7, that by default the C7 is something that is slow, heavy, something that GM should be embarrassed about or whatever. I also think the S8 is a really quick car, and that it's neat that it can go that fast.

But when shopping, I'd go M5, even though it may not be the Audi/BMW's marketing department directly comparison, and even though the M5 is a bit slower 0-60 (and some real drivers on real tracks have trapped lower ET's).

Here's your trophy.

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Awesome! Thanks!
 
Mind you most of the AMG cars have massive firepower and would smoke Ferrari's/Lambos. Could be the reason why the new Ferrari F12 has over 700 HP now to keep those pesky AMG/M cars away.



But when shopping, I'd go M5, even though it may not be the Audi/BMW's marketing department directly comparison, and even though the M5 is a bit slower 0-60 (and some real drivers on real tracks have trapped lower ET's).
Awesome! Thanks!
 
Mind you most of the AMG cars have massive firepower and would smoke Ferrari's/Lambos. Could be the reason why the new Ferrari F12 has over 700 HP now to keep those pesky AMG/M cars away.

The new E63 AMG is going to be a rocket for sure. Will likely run with the S8 in terms of performance stats. Will be interesting if BMW ever puts Xdrive in their M5 to keep up with the AWD competition.
 
If that's a 'real' VIN, Rick Hendrick is going to be very upset. He paid $1M at the January Barrett Jackson for VIN ending "00001"
Assembly line "Production" (test mules aside) does not commence until Aug 5th 2013.

1 mil for a vette. :lol: sucker born every minute.


Also, I highly doubt the "production" vin vette will be significantly different than the production ready "mule" C/D tested.

When I think of a preproduction mule, the blue NSX I posted earlier would be it.
 
The rear certainly is a disaster.



You should drive a 427 or an LS3 and then get in a M3. Yep, the M3 and the LS3 make similar HP but there is a big difference in power delivery. I'll take big HP AND Big Torque any day over a high strung smaller engine (kinda like 600 vs 1000 comparisions).



Um, there is no "regular" 427 that makes 430hp, It's the 378 LS3 that makes those numbers. The 378 LS9 makes 621 hp.

The NA 427 makes 505 hp.

The new C7 engine is also 378 and it makes 460 hp so it's smaller than your SUV comparison but makes very similar power.

I agree you cant compare HP to HP when comparing say a Corvette to an M3 but thats why I compared it to the SRT8 because that thing has the HP and Torque to back it up.

My bad I didnt realize they were a 378 I thought they were all different configurations of the 427.

One thing about a Corvette is that no matter what you do to that motor it can still be driven on the street as if it was off the showroom floor. I remember when I first bought my 2001 Corvette it was just under a month old and the friggen thing was just amazing. The power delivery and braking was first in its class at that time. Anyhow I was driving up on HWY 410 and saw a 1995 Yellow Corvette just cruising but it had the ZR1 wheels on it, massive mothers on the back. Anyhow I was trying to race him on the highway, just wanted to play with him a bit but he wouldnt go. As I get to the "Races" this Yellow Vette comes in and I could hear some engine work but nothing spectacular so I asked one of the Race Shop Owners I know what was done to it and he said thats a 383 Stroker with a 250 shot of nitrous. It puts out more than 1000HP. I was like F#$K Me no wonder why he wouldnt play with me.....lol

Point of that story even pushing 700+HP on the street it was easily a daily driver. You cant get that much HP out of a lot of cars and drive them like that, on the motor that is.
 
Only thing gm should be embarrassed about is not being able to design their own car. This thread is awesome. Corvette the greatest car ever! Except at the end of the day it's still a north American rattle box that after 150k won't be worth the wheels it sits on. Sign me up for two :rolleyes:

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Corvette the greatest car ever! Except at the end of the day it's still a north American rattle box that after 150k won't be worth the wheels it sits on.

That's peculiar. My friend who found a '56 in the back of a barn in Kentucky (with all original paperwork) paid $2000 for it in 1972. The original bill of sale has the price listed at $4,000 and change. Ten yrs ago, he had it appraised at >$160,000 and last year it was appraised for a tad over $200,000. His wheels are expensive, but no where near anything you claim.
 
That's peculiar. My friend who found a '56 in the back of a barn in Kentucky (with all original paperwork) paid $2000 for it in 1972. The original bill of sale has the price listed at $4,000 and change. Ten yrs ago, he had it appraised at >$160,000 and last year it was appraised for a tad over $200,000. His wheels are expensive, but no where near anything you claim.

I know someone with a genuine low mile 63 split. It's worth a fortune. Historic muscle cars aren't comparable to today's production cars. Look at any vette from the mid 70's to the late 90's and even newer. None of them hold their value with the odd exceptional model that you never see on the road. Yes I've owned one so I do have an idea of what I'm talking about.
 
I know someone with a genuine low mile 63 split. It's worth a fortune. Historic muscle cars aren't comparable to today's production cars. Look at any vette from the mid 70's to the late 90's and even newer. None of them hold their value with the odd exceptional model that you never see on the road. Yes I've owned one so I do have an idea of what I'm talking about.

The 70s to 90s were Detroit's dark ages. If you look at their current products, it is clear they have nothing to do with the disasters of the past. They have experienced an enlightenment and their cars will hold their value better and even become classics over time, like they used to.
 
I know someone with a genuine low mile 63 split. It's worth a fortune. Historic muscle cars aren't comparable to today's production cars. Look at any vette from the mid 70's to the late 90's and even newer. None of them hold their value with the odd exceptional model that you never see on the road. Yes I've owned one so I do have an idea of what I'm talking about.

I can't look at 'any Vette' from 74 - 90..........makes me wanna cry. You owned one? I wouldn't even admit to that!!!
As faster1 says, those yrs were the 'dark ages' for muscle cars. Somewhere in there, you had Reagan dropping speed limits to 55mph - MAXIMUM in all states. Mandating auto companies to spit out units that gave the masses better fuel economy. It was HELL for design teams, many of which were abolished. The Corvette being a prime example, along with the mustang (pure sadness). Even the Cutlass took a beating, and other 'muscle' cars just faded away.
Now - 2014 - auto companies pumping out 550HP cars like it's the norm.
Neither you, nor I can say if cars of 'today' will be worth 10X - 20X their current value 50 yrs from now. Time will tell.
 
Yes the C5 shows this. A low mileage z06 can be had for high 20's to low 30's. That's close to what they were new. :rolleyes:
 
Those '56 and '63 also sold for a fraction of their new prices after 5-10 years.



Exactly. Buddy paid 1/2 price for his '56 when it was 16 yrs old. It was probably a 7/10 when he bought it, ALL paperwork included.

If you go to "google images", punch in "1956 Corvette". Scroll down until you see the red & white one with Ontario Plate "VET 560". That's the one I'm talking about.
 
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Neither you, nor I can say if cars of 'today' will be worth 10X - 20X their current value 50 yrs from now. Time will tell.

I agree with all you said. This especially. Maybe they will, maybe they wont but part of what makes a very early vette worth so much is how little were made. The split window being a great example. Something like a c5 z06 is fun to drive and all but I can't see that ever being worth a lot is all.
 
I'm glad they don't hold thier value, for 40-50k you can get I nice C6. Too bad I need a truck or I would have one parked in my driveway.
 
Only thing gm should be embarrassed about is not being able to design their own car. This thread is awesome. Corvette the greatest car ever! Except at the end of the day it's still a north American rattle box that after 150k won't be worth the wheels it sits on. Sign me up for two :rolleyes:

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Name me a sports/luxury car built today that fares much better depreciation wise than a vette or has much fewer rattles at 150K.
 
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