When you're being assaulted by a guy with a gun, a club, and anger management issues you're wise to be the first one to pull your gun, I'd say.
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Law Enforcement - The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.....
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While that makes sense, your argument could be used for many many police interactions and the results would be far different. Unless you have a video of the entire situation (and it is secure or widely distributed), sadly no matter what you do, you lose. Even if you have video, you probably lose.
Another cop in Durham just got criminally charged for pointing their gun at somebody without justification. It's somewhat positive that some blue is actually being charged for bad behaviour now but until they start getting sentences the same (or worse) than you or I would get for pointing a gun at somebody, it is the same farce it has always been. Obviously I am not talking about justified events that occur in the the execution of their duties.
It should never get to the point of what happened between those two officers. The aggressor should have been cashiered from the force long ago, given his track record. It's based on that record that I'm willing to believe the other officer about what happened, even though he is the one who discharged his weapon.
Given the way that things have been going lately we might finally be seeing the end of the "old boys club" in our lifetimes.
I agree. I was just pointing out that even with the appalling record of the cop that got shot, he was still on the force and carrying a gun. If he got in an altercation with you instead of a coworker, it would have been bad for you almost without exception.
Hack
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Interested to find out what happened here...
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Rodger was an aquantence of mine and well regarded in the sports shooting community
Man shot in police incident was gunsmith, neighbour says
Special Investigations Unit assigns five inspectors to incident
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Rodger was an aquantence of mine and well regarded in the sports shooting community
That sucks. It's not an easy situation to deal with when cops are going into a place they know is full of guns. I would be shocked if SIU does anything here (even if this was another needless death caused by piss poor police tactics and training).Interested to find out what happened here...
Man shot in police incident was gunsmith, neighbour says
Special Investigations Unit assigns five inspectors to incident
Rodger was an aquantence of mine and well regarded in the sports shooting community
From what I have read, I am inclined to believe that. Why go in politely when you can unleash testosterone though? None of these investigations ever touch the question of should things have been done differently. SIU just looks at whether officer deserves criminal charges (almost always they decide no). Everything else is dealt with (or ignored) in house as heaven forbid anyone takes responsibility for killing people. Better to go back to work and if it happens again in the future, too bad. (obvious sarcasm dripping through this post).
Sorry you lost a friend Hack.
Cop gets caught accepting a bribe in 2018 (selling confidential police info to a suspect), immediately suspended with pay. Charges laid today. F me. That's going to be hard to prosecute with a straight face saying the timelines were reasonable.
The whole system is still a farce with a light polish so they can pretend they are trying. Again, suspended with pay until after criminal trial is complete, then they deal with PSA charges. They have written messages regarding the bribe sufficient to lay criminal charges. He should have been fired with cause three years ago. Getting hired as a cop is literally winning the lottery. Work five years to get to the top of the table and start doing illegal things. If you dont get caught, you are making bank. If you do get caught, you get 500k+ to play video games and almost zero chance of meaningful punishment outside of eventually losing your job.
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The whole system is still a farce with a light polish so they can pretend they are trying. Again, suspended with pay until after criminal trial is complete, then they deal with PSA charges. They have written messages regarding the bribe sufficient to lay criminal charges. He should have been fired with cause three years ago. Getting hired as a cop is literally winning the lottery. Work five years to get to the top of the table and start doing illegal things. If you dont get caught, you are making bank. If you do get caught, you get 500k+ to play video games and almost zero chance of meaningful punishment outside of eventually losing your job.
Toronto cop facing bribery charge in connection with 2018 incident
Toronto police say a member of the force’s Organized Crime Enforcement Unit is facing criminal charges in connection with an incident where confidential police information was allegedly sold to a suspect in a drug investigation.
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I think there may have been a post on this before but not sure which thread. Dashcam video has now come out. Police SUV piling into slow moving or stopped cars on QEW. If it's the incident I am remembering, no charges laid at the scene which is a vastly different outcome than a civilian in the same situation.
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CAUGHT ON CAMERA: OPP crash on Oakville QEW that injures 4 captured on dashcam video
Investigators expected to provide update
Mikedezo44
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I wish the media would use their power more to put pressure on situations like this to keep something like that front and center until officer is charged like any other member of the public would be.
Agreed. No idea if a conviction would come from it but any normal citizen would have been immediately charged. Policy should be either to lay the charge roadside or not but a different policy based on your occupation is untenable.
Oy….that car he hit is going to be charged with impeding traffic or something stupid. /sI think there may have been a post on this before but not sure which thread. Dashcam video has now come out. Police SUV piling into slow moving or stopped cars on QEW. If it's the incident I am remembering, no charges laid at the scene which is a vastly different outcome than a civilian in the same situation.
CAUGHT ON CAMERA: OPP crash on Oakville QEW that injures 4 captured on dashcam video
Investigators expected to provide update
OPP have cell phones, laptops, radios and the like. We can’t be trusted to be on a call with yet they are able to do whatever the eff they want.
My favourite is lighting up their flashing lights to not wait at a red light…love it.
Sucks for the innocent drivers involved.
Hack
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Pushing their luck with that one... Lol
'Buddy of mine took a suspension for just that.
Citizen Karen noted the car's number, time of day, location etc. and filed a complaint.
Investigation led to the the conclusion there was no compelling reason for the constable to have done what he did.
'Buddy didn't bother appealing... Took the suspension and we went fishing.
400 was putting out pilons to drop to one lane last week. Prior to this, police SUV was driving along at 105 to 110. Traffic slowed as lanes were removed. Cop threw on the cherries, went through the cone line, past the trucks putting out cones then turned them off and continued at 105 to 110.
Hack
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I'd probably do the same... We all would.
Especially if I had to pee.
Truth is... When we see these things happen... We have no idea why or the reasoning behind. There's even a chance it's totally legit and justifiable.
The question is whether the damage to the public trust (us vs them) was worth saving a minute of drive time. I had to to pee too. Obviously they weren't in a tremendous hurry as they didn't drive quickly after, they just didn't want to wait with the rest of us (maybe they had a meeting or something "justified" but I had a meeting to get too as well).
In a case in which there are injuries and significant property damage like in this case then you're right, any regular citizen would have been charged. If there are no injuries then it's not hugely uncommon for OPP to just let insurance deal with it.
That’s what ex-cop buddy told me also when I told him how annoying it is. Literally said the same words.
He’s right. But it’s pretty fishy when the lights go on JUST to get around traffic.
It must suck to drive a cop car in traffic.
There are lots of people who slam on the brakes when they see one, and almost everyone slows down way below the speed limit.
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