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Is there are law to protect car warranty for DIY oil changes?

gsxr guy said:
Riddle me this, in NS I passed a safety with a full titanium leo vince exhaust on one bike and a full S/S yosh on the other, no cats. But the leo's carbon fiber mount eliminates the rear foot peg, so that wont pass. Foot peg must be there to pass even with solo seat on. Stick a foot peg on there and its all good again. No front reflectors fails, no cat pass. You can't make this **** up.
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Where are you taking your bike?
One of my street bikes doesn’t have passenger pegs and it still passes. Sounds like whoever you’re taking the bike to is doing it exactly to the letter of the safety code….which nobody tends to do.
Does having passenger pegs make the bike more or less safe? No. So take it to a shop that will use some common sense.
 
gsxr guy said:
I called 6 bike shops including pro cycle. Same reply from them all. lol
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So you called and weren’t there in person with the bike? That explains it. Of course a shop is going to say they do things to the letter if some random person just calls. Never know who’s on the line or when you’re going to be tested. You’ll find most businesses do that.
 
gsxr guy said:
Riddle me this, in NS I passed a safety with a full titanium leo vince exhaust on one bike and a full S/S yosh on the other, no cats. But the leo's carbon fiber mount eliminates the rear foot peg, so that wont pass. Foot peg must be there to pass even with solo seat on. Stick a foot peg on there and its all good again. No front reflectors fails, no cat pass. You can't make this **** up.
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At least in Ontario, the safety regulations are entirely about structural components and have nothing to do with drivetrain. Regulations can be looked up online if you want to check. Engine could be sputtering on only one cylinder, but as long as it's able to get up to speed for a road test, it can pass.

Edit: I'm procrastinating doing something so I looked it up, it's literally the first line in the motorcycle section, Law Document English View

(a) where they were originally installed, securely mounted fenders, mudguards and operative footrests;
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As for the original question, it's a sticky situation. I'm surprised that Honda is denying the claim though I've heard worse.

Consumer protection act is what you want to lean on here. The relevant section states (Law Document English View)

Loss of warranty​

(5) A consumer who subjects any vehicle part to misuse or abuse is not entitled to the benefit of the warranty on that part. 2002, c. 30, Sched. A, s. 63 (5).

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(6) No repairer shall refuse to reimburse a consumer because of the operation of subsection (5) unless the repairer has reasonable grounds to believe that the part under warranty was subjected to misuse or abuse. 2002, c. 30, Sched. A, s. 63 (6).
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In my experience, other manufacturers have been ok with pulling the valve cover and taking a picture to confirm that there is no sludge buildup as a sign of negligent care.
 
Katatonic said:
So you called and weren’t there in person with the bike? That explains it. Of course a shop is going to say they do things to the letter if some random person just calls. Never know who’s on the line or when you’re going to be tested. You’ll find most businesses do that.
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you're not getting it. I took the bikes to a dealer, was informed of my foot peg issue. While going to get the foot peg from home I called the other shops all dealers. Its like they all took the same course. Oh yeah they did.
 
There is a USA YouTube video where it is claimed that Toyota wants to charge for using you key fob. It didn't sound like a satire. The same for using your heated seats, basically a subscription service.

"Toyota Plans to Charge You to Use Your Key Fob" Steve Lehto

This isn't like sat radio or a communication system that requires input from a second party.

 
Brian P said:
Tire problem has got to be the most common cause of a mechanical-failure-related crash.

An inspection every two years isn't going to find the spike lying on the road in wait for your tire to hit it precisely 14 months 3 days 5 hours 44 minutes after inspection causing an immediate blow-out. It also isn't going to find the wheel bolt that you forgot to tighten in your driveway the winter after having the inspection done. The tires that were brand-new at the time of inspection, won't be by the time of the next one. Same with brake pads and rotors.

Most vehicles nowadays complain to the driver if tire pressure is out of spec. (Cars and trucks do. It's required. Motorcycles aren't required to, although some have TPMS anyhow.)

Not everyone buys new TPMS for their winter rims. If the TPMS warning is on because you didn't feel like spending an extra $600 on your winter set, or didn't take the car to the dealer and spend even more money (and time) there twice per year because your vehicle doesn't automatically sort out its TPMS after swapping rims (not all of them do!), does that fail inspection?

I understand the motivation for periodic inspections, but to me it seems like a search for the guilty and punishment of the innocent for a more-or-less non-existent problem that won't be solved anyhow by doing this.
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When wheels are switched over from summer to winter (and vice versa) if there is rust built up on the face of the rotor/drum and you tighten the replacement wheel to that rusty surface to manufacturers spec without removing that rust, what happens is with acceleration/braking the rust wears down and creates a gap between the rotor/drum and the wheel. That gap keeps increasing because the lugs loosen until the wheel finally comes off. Anyone with common sense would feel the vibrations long before the wheel comes off and remedy that problem, but the real problem is the deficiency in common sense. Having an annual or biannual safety isn't a cure for stupid.
 
nobbie48 said:
Ages ago I was out for a drive with my then girlfriend and kept hearing an odd noise from the front left. When we got to my brother's place I wanted to look further so pulled the front left wheel to see behind it and the tie rod end pulled apart. The car was about two years old so they may not have caught the flaw. That's the only thing I've had happen in 50 years of driving.

There are old car potential problems.

Tires I would guess as #1

Hazed windshields on high mileage cars make night visibility poor.

LED Lights last a long time but are very expensive when they do fail.

Even a clapped out car can be relatively safe if the driver has the brains to be cautious.

One sad thing I see is subsidized housing and some residents are driving used luxury vehicles. I can understand needing something to make yourself feel good about yourself but when your MB needs a new switch MB doesn't care that you got a deal on the car or what you earn.

I occasionally pipe dream about buying a 30-40 year old Rolls Royce. They are usually low mileage and in good shape. They tend to be about the price of a new Camry but when something breaks you pay for another Camry.
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Place I tried to rent at Birchmount and Lawrence for $275 a month for a two bedroom when we were poor, would take in doctors and lawyers when they were going through med/law school and not making any money. Later on, they just wouldn't move out. Lots of new expensive cars in the parking lot. Unfortunately, the super said her kid was moving into the unit, so we ended up in a one bedroom for just over $1000 a month.
 
nobbie48 said:
There is a USA YouTube video where it is claimed that Toyota wants to charge for using you key fob. It didn't sound like a satire. The same for using your heated seats, basically a subscription service.

"Toyota Plans to Charge You to Use Your Key Fob" Steve Lehto

This isn't like sat radio or a communication system that requires input from a second party.

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Every industry has figured out that subscription is more profitable than pay once. Toyota sounds like remote start will be $10/month. BMW was considering monthly charge for heated seats. Basically build all cars the same and software unlocks what you've paid for. Subscription just pushes that to the next level of convenience/annoyance depending on your viewpoint.

Thankfully not subscription but A lot of outboard engines have been doing something similar for years where a bunch of hp are mechanically identical with different ecus to set power (eg 90/115 or 115ho/135/150 are mechanically identical). Simplifies build process and reduces parts required.
 
GreyGhost said:
Every industry has figured out that subscription is more profitable than pay once. Toyota sounds like remote start will be $10/month. BMW was considering monthly charge for heated seats. Basically build all cars the same and software unlocks what you've paid for. Subscription just pushes that to the next level of convenience/annoyance depending on your viewpoint.

Thankfully not subscription but A lot of outboard engines have been doing something similar for years where a bunch of hp are mechanically identical with different ecus to set power (eg 90/115 or 115ho/135/150 are mechanically identical). Simplifies build process and reduces parts required.
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Imagine a trilight floor lamp for sale. At $59.99 you get to use the low setting, $69.99 lets you use low and medium and $79.99 adds full bright as well. Or you pay a dollar a month for each option.

With the fob and seat issue can a buyer pay up front for no subscription like a cell phone? You get a free cell phone if you agree to a three to five year plan at $XX a month. Or you pay $1000 for the phone and shop around for a provider. When you need a new battery it's almost as cheap to buy a new phone.

The snag with the fob/seat issue is that it sounds like they have a multi year trial period, probably the average length of first ownership so the first buyer never sees the fee. The guy that buys a three year old car with heated seats and remote finds he gets stuck with the subscription if he wants to use them.

Who has the responsibility of telling the seond owner about the fee?

I'm sure the accessories are wired through a control module ($$$) that fries itself if any by passes get installed.

I'm seeing more and more rental apartment buildings going to pay and display visitor parking.

Then there's the rental hot water tank issue.

Blood suckers.
 
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For those who think there’s no problems with vehicle safety on our roadways just because you don’t see the issues first hand….just came across this on a FB page today….

Those who don’t live on the road just never see this stuff. It’s more common that many might think.
 
PrivatePilot said:
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For those who think there’s no problems with vehicle safety on our roadways just because you don’t see the issues first hand….just came across this on a FB page today….

Those who don’t live on the road just never see this stuff. It’s more common that many might think.
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I see that happen reasonably often. The chance that a biannual safety catches it is very very close to zero.
 
GreyGhost said:
I see that happen reasonably often. The chance that a biannual safety catches it is very very close to zero.
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Disagree. Ask some mechanics who work in shops where they see clunkers how often they end up seeing cars come In with missing lugs/snapped studs. That’s how that often starts. Or tie rods about to fall apart, or coming in on tow trucks because they *did* fall apart already. Or bald tires. Bad wheel bearings to the point where the wheel is nearly ready to depart but the owner couldn’t take the noise anymore. Non functional or barely functional brakes on one or multiple wheels for various reasons.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Disagree. Ask some mechanics who work in shops where they see clunkers how often they end up seeing cars come In with missing lugs/snapped studs. That’s how that often starts. Or tie rods about to fall apart, or coming in on tow trucks because they *did* fall apart already. Or bald tires. Bad wheel bearings to the point where the wheel is nearly ready to depart but the owner couldn’t take the noise anymore. Non functional or barely functional brakes on one or multiple wheels for various reasons.
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In the picture in question, at least three and possibly all four snapped studs are shiny. This was an installation error. Probably too many ugga duggas when installing the wheel (or not enough and it was banging back and forth as you can see threads cut into the rotor). Time from first indication/symptom to detached wheel wouldn't have been very long at all.

Bi-annual safety will catch many brakes/ball joints/bearings/tire wear etc that fail gradually over an extended period.

I would have little problem with the safety if it wasn't abused. Based on prior experience it will be. From an alternate viewpoint, commercial vehicles are already subject to frequent inspections and ~30% are taken off the road in roadside blitzes. wtf? They degraded that much since the inspection or they are getting bogus inspections to run crap?
 
gsxr guy said:
Riddle me this, in NS I passed a safety with a full titanium leo vince exhaust on one bike and a full S/S yosh on the other, no cats. But the leo's carbon fiber mount eliminates the rear foot peg, so that wont pass. Foot peg must be there to pass even with solo seat on. Stick a foot peg on there and its all good again. No front reflectors fails, no cat pass. You can't make this **** up.
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Wait, passenger pegs are a safety fail? Gonna go over the checklist later today
 
Not having passenger pegs on a bike that is never used to carry a passenger is a safety hazard to whom?

The possibility of BS failures is very high.
 
Renboy said:
When wheels are switched over from summer to winter (and vice versa) if there is rust built up on the face of the rotor/drum and you tighten the replacement wheel to that rusty surface to manufacturers spec without removing that rust, what happens is with acceleration/braking the rust wears down and creates a gap between the rotor/drum and the wheel. That gap keeps increasing because the lugs loosen until the wheel finally comes off. Anyone with common sense would feel the vibrations long before the wheel comes off and remedy that problem, but the real problem is the deficiency in common sense. Having an annual or biannual safety isn't a cure for stupid.
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I never used to clean that thin film of surface rust on the face of my hubs when removing my wheels and never felt any vibration caused by it. Maybe one sitting in a junkyard exposed to the elements for who knows how long would form a crust, but not not one that's been "sealed" by a wheel. I've been parking my daily driver outdoors for the past 20 years with no such problems. That said, last year I got an air die grinder, and now I have fun using a Roloc to make the hubs all shiny again, but I wouldn't say it's necessary. The hubs would have to be pretty low quality for this to be a problem.
 
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