Iran - What's the deal? Bomb or not?

Does Iran have a right to have a nuclear weapon since other countries have them?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 64.1%
  • No

    Votes: 14 35.9%

  • Total voters
    39
I think the pressure should be on Israel to sign the treaty and obey UN Resolutions. But if I say that I'm an anti-semite. The issue with Iran vs. Israel is that both countries have non-secular governments. USA/USSR was political, not religious. Pakistan/India is a good example to use, but what's the guarantee Israel and Iran will "play nice".
 
I think the pressure should be on Israel to sign the treaty and obey UN Resolutions. But if I say that I'm an anti-semite. The issue with Iran vs. Israel is that both countries have non-secular governments. USA/USSR was political, not religious. Pakistan/India is a good example to use, but what's the guarantee Israel and Iran will "play nice".

M.A.D. is the guarantee.
The exact same could be said for India and Pakistan.
North Korea has nuclear weapons and we can assume so does South Korea since the US has troops there.
Those four countries did not fire at each other.

I don't believe that anyone in their right minds believe that they will launch nuclear strikes at each other.
btw- It's an election year for the US/Israel/Iran so they beat the war drums to make their voters afraid.
 
It's funny how one side has a bomb and the other does not. If I was a parent and both of my kids are fighting, do I take the baseball bat from one and leave the other with one or do I take them both?


It's more like: if you are a parent and one kid has bean beaten up his whole life by his brothers and so that kid got a baseball bat to deter his brothers from beating him up and now one of his brothers is trying to get a baseball bat too and is telling all the other brothers how he hates this one brother and how he wants to destroy him. Do you let that brother get the baseball bat or do you tell him no and to leave his brother alone. http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/neighborhood-bully
 
Israels historic enemy has been from Europe whether it be the Nazis or the romans so how does your example allow Israel a bat to beat up Iran?????? Also all medieval confrontation s between Jews and Muslims were historically instigated by the Jews of their time with some obvious exceptions.:mad:.....don't be a islamophobe

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I have enough **** to worry about in my day to day life so I stopped caring about what the media/other explode out to be a major issue when in fact it isn't.

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Don't forget we just got a 15 yr old girl commit suicide largely due to depression Iran isnt as important to the media.

Oh and to the OP, yes let Iran have it, everybody needs a nuke.
 
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Israels historic enemy has been from Europe whether it be the Nazis or the romans so how does your example allow Israel a bat to beat up Iran?????? Also all medieval confrontation s between Jews and Muslims were historically instigated by the Jews of their time with some obvious exceptions.:mad:.....don't be a islamophobe

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I don't see how asking a valid question can be seen as islamophobe. The question wasn't even biased.
 
I wasn't replying to the op, but the reference to Israel as the week brother taking a beating from others throughout history

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I think the pressure should be on Israel to sign the treaty and obey UN Resolutions. But if I say that I'm an anti-semite. The issue with Iran vs. Israel is that both countries have non-secular governments. USA/USSR was political, not religious. Pakistan/India is a good example to use, but what's the guarantee Israel and Iran will "play nice".

Funny you mentioned that because it seems like no matter how much youre talking ONLY about Israel's politics, they instantly play the anti-Semitic card on you. They can blow up the world and if you talk about it, all of a sudden youre anti-Semitic. I personally dont see Jews any differently than anyone else so my issue is the Israeli politics not the religion. In fact, a little thing that western media never shows is big number of Jewish communities and organizations against the state of Israel and its policies. Many Jewish rabbis have and constantly do speak out against Israel because of their horrendous acts. So being against a nations political stance doesnt make you anti-Semitic lol
 
It's more like: if you are a parent and one kid has bean beaten up his whole life by his brothers and so that kid got a baseball bat to deter his brothers from beating him up and now one of his brothers is trying to get a baseball bat too and is telling all the other brothers how he hates this one brother and how he wants to destroy him. Do you let that brother get the baseball bat or do you tell him no and to leave his brother alone. http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/neighborhood-bully
In that case the parent should be giving weapons to Palestinians because they're the ones whove been beaten up, tortured and killed by Israelis for 60+ years
seems like (Israeli's not all Jews) are taking revenge for what Hitler did to them on Palestinians. Its irconice because youd think they should know better than anyone else how it feels to be oppressed and tortured by a more powerful regime, yet they took over Palestine, pushed Palestinians out much like what happened to them with tanks and military might and U.S, Britain backing and have been staeling more land ever since. So lets give a baseball bat to Palestine maybe
 
Israels historic enemy has been from Europe whether it be the Nazis or the romans so how does your example allow Israel a bat to beat up Iran?????? Also all medieval confrontation s between Jews and Muslims were historically instigated by the Jews of their time with some obvious exceptions.:mad:.....don't be a islamophobe

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Great points however id like to mention that Iranian people (not the government or their herd) are NOT religious and most of the younger generation dont even consider themselves muslims. So for Iranian people, its not even an issue of religion.
 
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In fact, a little thing that western media never shows is big number of Jewish communities and organizations against the state of Israel and its policies. Many Jewish rabbis have and constantly do speak out against Israel because of their horrendous acts. So being against a nations political stance doesnt make you anti-Semitic lol

U mean these people are real?
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I recall someone mentioning this so I Googled and and found this.
It reminded me of that Bond movie where the media empire guy wanted to sink a US ship and make it look like the Chinese did it to start another war.

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[TD]In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring. Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited from the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites".
Honorable Chairman, members of the Knesset. The trial that started two days ago in Egypt against 13 Jews is disturbing everybody and brings about an emotional turmoil and deep bitterness in the country [Israel] and in the whole Jewish world. Indeed, it must cause concern and anxiety in the hearts of all justice-seeking people around the universe. The Committee for Foreign Affairs and Security has alreadv dealt and will further deal with this serious issue. But at this stage I feel obliged to make a short announcement. In my speech in the Knesset on November 15 1 said "The uncontrolled behavior of' Egypt . . . does not indicate . . . that its leadership . . . is seeking moderate approaches and peace. How far Egypt is from this spirit [of moderation and peace] can be learned from the plot woven in Alexandria, the show-trial which is being organized there against a group of Jews who became victims of false accusations of espionage, and who, it seems, are being threatened and tortured in order to extract from them confessions in imaginary crimes." This gloomy assumption was verified and was revealed to be a cruel and shocking fact, by the declaration of the accused Victorin Ninyo in the military court in Cairo that was published this morning. [According to this declaration] she was tortured during the interrogation which preceded the trial and by that torture they extracted from her false confessions to crimes which did not happen. The government of Israel strongly protests this practice, which revives in the Middle East the methods used by the Inquisition in the Middle Ages. The government of Israel strongly rejects the false accusations of the general Egyptian prosecution, which relegates to the Israeli authorities horrible deeds and diabolic conspiracies against the security and the international relations of Egypt. From this stand we have protested many times in the past persecution and false accusations of Jews in various countries. We see in the innocent Jews accused by the Egyptian authorities of such severe crimes, victims of vicious hostility to the State of Israel and the Jewish people. If their crime is being Zionist and devoted to Israel, millions of Jews around the world share this crime. We do not think that the rulers of Egypt should be interested in being responsible for shedding Jewish blood. We call upon all those who believe in peace, stability and human relations among nations to prevent fatal injustice.​
But as the public trial progressed, it was evident that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing. Eventually, Israeli's Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon was brought down by the scandal, although it appears that he was himself the victim of a frame-up by the real authors of the bombing project, code named "Operation Susannah."
It is therefore a fact that Israel has a prior history of setting off bombs with the intent to blame Arabs for them.​
This is not the only example of a "False Flag" operation designed to trick the United States into attacking Israel's enemies. According to Victor Ostrovsky, a Mossad defector now living in Canada, Ronald Reagan was tricked into bombing Libya by means of a radio transmitter smuggled into Tripoli by the Mossad, which broadcast messages designed to fool the United States into thinking Libya was about to launch a massive terror attack on the west. On the basis of this fake evidence, the US bombed Libya, killing Khadaffi's daughter.
The Jews of Iraq is a story by a Jewish writer revealing yet another false flag operation where Israelis used bombs and planted the blame on Arabs
More recently, Captain Ward Boston, who served as senior legal counsel for the Navy's Court of Inquiry into the Israeli attack on USS Liberty, has come forward to report that the Court of Inquiry was ORDERED to conclude that the attack was an accident by President Lyndon Johnson. In hindsight, given the use of unmarked aircraft and boats by Israel during the actual attack, it appears that Israel intended to sink the US ship and frame Egypt for the attack, tricking the US into the war against Egypt.
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So, with this established history, it is now time to re-examine some facts about the World Trade Towers:​
1. There is no proof at all of who was actually on the hijacked airplanes last 9/11. Even the head of the FBI admits that the only hard evidence are the names used by the hijackers on faked IDs. At least 7 of the men whose names were on those IDs have since turned up alive. Another had died back in 1999. None of the names of the alleged hijackers were on the passenger lists of the four aircraft. We do not know who was on those planes, only that we are supposed to think they were Arab Muslims. 2. The night before the attacks on the World Trade Towers, men using those stolen identities visited bars and strip clubs, making sure they would be noticed and remembered by all they met. Students of Islam will confirm that no Muslim devout enough to be willing to commit suicide would spend the night before he was to meet Allah violating so many of Islam's laws regarding alcohol and nude women. This suggests the planting of a false trail ahead of time, doubly so because we know the identities were stolen. Coupled with the deception of the faked Osama "confession" video tape , it is beyond question that deception and fraud exists in the World Trade Towers case.
3. Contrary to early reports (including a statement by George Bush) of large numbers of Israelis being killed in the 9-11 attacks, only two Israelis died, both passengers on the airplanes. No Israelis working in or near the World Trade Towers died. The foreign press has long rumored that Israelis were given an advance warning not to go to work on 9-11, and in the case of Odigo, an Israeli company with offices located near the World Trade Towers, the existence of a warning message sent before the four aircraft had even left the ground is an established fact. That someone in Israel knew of the attacks ahead of time is beyond question.
4. There is an Israeli spy ring. As in the Lavon Affair, Israeli assets have been trying to dismiss the spy ring story (apparently with the FBI's help) while accusing those who refuse to be silent of "anti-Semitism". The lesson from the Lavon case is that Israel's strident denials and smear campaigns are a sure sign that something is indeed being covered up, even as the "art students" continue to be deported. And, as a US Official stated in Carl Cameron's suppressed story on the Israeli Spy/Bugging Ring, evidence does exist that links the arrested Israeli spies with 9-11, but that this evidence has been classified by the United States Government, probably to keep from looking like total idiots at having been so easily fooled for the Nth time.
The United States has been deceived before by Israeli covert operations with the intention of harming American relations with the Arab nations. Israel has never hesitated to kill Americans (USS Liberty) or allow Americans to be killed (The bombing in Beirut that killed 241 American Marines) when it serves a purpose. And, the fact remains that Israel has exploited 9-11 from the instant when Ehud Barak appeared on the BBC moments after the attacks on the World Trade Towers (holding a prepared speech) to the aggression against the Palestinian people which has escalated non-stop ever since 9-11.
Who is responsible for the World Trade Towers attacks? We truly do not know. What we do know beyond all doubt is that someone went to a great deal of effort to provide an easy and at times all-too-obvious a target to blame. Our nation was fooled by that stunt before. The result was that our money and the blood of our children was spent to attack someone else's enemies.
There is an old saying that goes, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME!"
There is another saying, "We won't get fooled again!"
 
I wasn't replying to the op, but the reference to Israel as the week brother taking a beating from others throughout history

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I see. My apologies then.
 
In that case the parent should be giving weapons to Palestinians because they're the ones whove been beaten up, tortured and killed by Israelis for 60+ years
seems like (Israeli's not all Jews) are taking revenge for what Hitler did to them on Palestinians. Its irconice because youd think they should know better than anyone else how it feels to be oppressed and tortured by a more powerful regime, yet they took over Palestine, pushed Palestinians out much like what happened to them with tanks and military might and U.S, Britain backing and have been staeling more land ever since. So lets give a baseball bat to Palestine maybe

There was never any such people as Palestinians. They exist now as a product of the last Century and the creation of the State of Israel since the 1850s. The word Palestine was the name the Romans gave to the area that was the ancient states of Israel and Judaea when they concurred it and they got this name from the ancient (no longer existing at that time) enemy of the Jews, the Philistines (Philistina-palestina).

Futhermore, I can assure you, as an Israeli, as a man whose many friends and family are, and have been, integral in the Israeli Military and Government, that there is no effort to do any of the things you have mentioned to anyone, certainly not the people who now call themselves Palestinian. I have many Palestinian friends and lots of Israeli Arab friends as do many Jewish Israelis. I know very few Israelis who have hatred for anyone. In the army I provided a great amount of medical care to to Palestinians and I also helped provide them with food and shelter.

To state all these ridiculous lies about Israel is either to 1) be grossly misinformed and ignorant of the reality or 2)be an antisemite.
 
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