Inverters eu2000i/ef

A regular consumer grade UPS would probably improve the situation, but to fix the issue is a stretch.
An up-scale UPS will have power conditioning but they are pricey.

What I haven't seen mentioned here is there are two types of portable generators.
There are rectified generators where the frequency is dictated by engine RPM (these are the older style, cheaper generators) These are akin to the generator on a pre 70s car.
Then there is the newer type with the output regulated by field, and the output wave is controlled by an electronic regulator ("inverters" like the Honda EUs) These are akin to a modern alternator found on a modern car.

For Bobo: When I went looking for a gen set for the race trailer EVERYONE told me to buy an Onan (a Cummins company). Onan had to be the best cuz all the big mobile homes and semi trucks have Onan gen sets.
Onan was one of the first companies to manufacture gen sets in China... and they're still considered the industry standard.
Reading Honda websites, they will only admit to manufacturing gen sets in France... but all the Honda gen sets have GX motors. Honda GX motors have ALWAYS been built by the Jaing Dong (sp?) motor corp. of China.
I am going out on a limb here by saying the vast majority of consumer level gen sets are made in China... so I think you should stop using "Made in China" as an insult.
Oh... and "inverters" DO NOT output a sine wave. They output a square wave, synthesized to look like a sine wave. That is the difference between a "good" inverter and a "bad or cheap" inverter, how well that wave is synthesized. To synth that wave is not easy (actually to reproduce a sine wave digitally is impossible), therefore not cheap.

If your old gen set is too loud: put a bigger muffler on it. (Talk to any lawn mower repair shop, NOT Canadian Tire or Princess Auto).
The 2000va Champion inverter can be "stacked" in parallel, but you have to get the cables from a US distributor.
We found it was cheaper to charge the batteries in the race car using the alternator on my 4.3L Chev than to use a 3500va 6hp gen set with a battery charger.

My goodness. When it comes to how generators work; If you don't know what you're talking about, don't say anything at all.
 
Anyone know anything about the tri-fuel conversions for popular generators? There's a company down south selling them with warranty and everything. Honda inverters running on LP and NG in addition to petrol, and its completely tool-less. Just change the fuel source and go.

As such: http://www.generatorsales.com/order/Honda-EU3000iS-Tri-fuel.asp?page=EU3000iS_Tri_Fuel

Awesome idea. Ugly implementation (regulator it attached to the outside where it will get beat up if used as a portable generator).

Does anyone know how this would switch between lp and ng? Normally this would require an orifice change. My guess is you adjust the regulator to dial back the lp, but that isn't the easiest thing to get right.
 
A regular consumer grade UPS would probably improve the situation, but to fix the issue is a stretch.
An up-scale UPS will have power conditioning but they are pricey.

What I haven't seen mentioned here is there are two types of portable generators.
There are rectified generators where the frequency is dictated by engine RPM (these are the older style, cheaper generators) These are akin to the generator on a pre 70s car.
Then there is the newer type with the output regulated by field, and the output wave is controlled by an electronic regulator ("inverters" like the Honda EUs) These are akin to a modern alternator found on a modern car.

For Bobo: When I went looking for a gen set for the race trailer EVERYONE told me to buy an Onan (a Cummins company). Onan had to be the best cuz all the big mobile homes and semi trucks have Onan gen sets.
Onan was one of the first companies to manufacture gen sets in China... and they're still considered the industry standard.
Reading Honda websites, they will only admit to manufacturing gen sets in France... but all the Honda gen sets have GX motors. Honda GX motors have ALWAYS been built by the Jaing Dong (sp?) motor corp. of China.
I am going out on a limb here by saying the vast majority of consumer level gen sets are made in China... so I think you should stop using "Made in China" as an insult.
Oh... and "inverters" DO NOT output a sine wave. They output a square wave, synthesized to look like a sine wave. That is the difference between a "good" inverter and a "bad or cheap" inverter, how well that wave is synthesized. To synth that wave is not easy (actually to reproduce a sine wave digitally is impossible), therefore not cheap.

If your old gen set is too loud: put a bigger muffler on it. (Talk to any lawn mower repair shop, NOT Canadian Tire or Princess Auto).
The 2000va Champion inverter can be "stacked" in parallel, but you have to get the cables from a US distributor.
We found it was cheaper to charge the batteries in the race car using the alternator on my 4.3L Chev than to use a 3500va 6hp gen set with a battery charger.

Comparing an Onan generator to a $200 Canadian Tire or Wal Mart special is a bit of a stretch and my post was referring to portable generators of which Honda is the undisputed industry standard.
 
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Awesome idea. Ugly implementation (regulator it attached to the outside where it will get beat up if used as a portable generator).

Does anyone know how this would switch between lp and ng? Normally this would require an orifice change. My guess is you adjust the regulator to dial back the lp, but that isn't the easiest thing to get right.

I know on the stationary Generators we install on homes, there is a simple switch we slide in the carb to tell it whether to run on gas or propane. Its run flawlessly on all the installs I ever did. Whether propane or gas. I wonder if there is this type of availability on the other one mentioned above?
 
I know on the stationary Generators we install on homes, there is a simple switch we slide in the carb to tell it whether to run on gas or propane. Its run flawlessly on all the installs I ever did. Whether propane or gas. I wonder if there is this type of availability on the other one mentioned above?

There are youtube videos of the tri-fuel modification (from my previous link) in action. They went from propane to gasoline without doing anything... the only thing I noticed is that when the motor ran on propane, the guy shut the tank off and let the generator run dry instead of turning it off first. They then poured gasoline into the tank and flicked the switch, fired right up. They didn't show it running on NG though.
 
You could run the average house on one 15 ampere circuit if you have a natural gas furnace and the patience of Job. You will be contantly rotating usage and that means knowing how things work, loads etc. Mostly grade 9 physics.

I have run standard and inverter Hondas of similar sizes. The inverter is quieter and lighter but the most important thing for me is that when not drawing power it drops to idle and uses far less fuel. Refueling was a constant event with a conventional gennie. How far will you have to go for gas?

The average house without any 240 volt appliances....

I for one am not interested in unplugging my fridge to use my microwave or toaster.

The service calc. for the average home may not come out to the 100 or 200 amp services commonly installed but its still a lot more than 15A @ 120v.
 
The service calc. for the average home may not come out to the 100 or 200 amp services commonly installed but its still a lot more than 15A @ 120v.

I'd be happy to run furnace and fridge. Unplug either/or to run hotplate or microwave. It's more about survival than lifestyle imho. Unless power outages are going to be a regular occurrence the big equipment is just more stuff to pay for and maintain, again imho.
 
I'd be happy to run furnace and fridge. Unplug either/or to run hotplate or microwave. It's more about survival than lifestyle imho. Unless power outages are going to be a regular occurrence the big equipment is just more stuff to pay for and maintain, again imho.

Where do you even find a generator 1500w/120v generator?

Im more concerned with how people are feeding the hard wired stuff.
 
Where do you even find a generator 1500w/120v generator?

Im more concerned with how people are feeding the hard wired stuff.

??? No small generators anymore? Never bothered to look as I have Honda EZ2500 on standby. 2x 15 amp circuits. I know you and I have talked about this before, I wired a 14ga. extension cord to furnace (with soldered multistrands). You were not impressed. I'm still waiting to use it after all these yrs. That's why I can't see buying the big machinery.
 
Where do you even find a generator 1500w/120v generator?

Im more concerned with how people are feeding the hard wired stuff.

this one does max 19.2amp (2300w) at 120v. No 220v available.

Its a shame, because at that price, if it ran 220V, I'd be all over it.

Unfortunately, I have to spend more than double to get the one I'd want with 220v
 
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??? No small generators anymore? Never bothered to look as I have Honda EZ2500 on standby. 2x 15 amp circuits. I know you and I have talked about this before, I wired a 14ga. extension cord to furnace (with soldered multistrands). You were not impressed. I'm still waiting to use it after all these yrs. That's why I can't see buying the big machinery.

The cord is better than a lot of things ive seen.

this one does max 19.2amp (2300w) at 120v. No 220v available.

Its a shame, because at that price, if it ran 220V, I'd be all over it.

Unfortunately, I have to spend more than double to get the one I'd want with 220v

with 20a it would work good on the job site for the big hammer drills/ chippers. My work truck has an inverter so I dont use the generators a lot but they can be a pain working with large electric tools.

I would want 220v for home backup power aswell. My mom needs her panel changed to breakers so im likely going to install some sort of transfer switch/generator set up at the same time for her as well. Thinking 50 amps min.
 
A cousin had a house in Rochester NY and it had two 15 amp circuits. One did all the lights and the other the receptacles. Gas stove, drier, hot water and furnace. The furnace didn't have a fan, pure convection. They bought fuses by the box.

My preference would be a 3000 inverter, basically two circuits. Between global weather issues and hydro jerk arounds not having an inverter is like not having a spare tire in your car.
 
Why would someone would buy/lug that thing around for 1500w?
sometimes that's all you need for a few lights and circular saw and drill on a job site,the advantage being that it's lighter if you have to carry it by yourself and it burns less fuel.My Honda EU2000 is rated for 13.5 continuous load and that's all I usually ever need.The only thing it has a problem with is running any kind of compressor.The start up current is just too much for it.Portabilty was a major factor when I was choosing a generator
 
Why would someone would buy/lug that thing around for 1500w?
Tire warmers would be 1 answer. If it did really pull 1500w, a set of tire warmers run at aprox 900w.
 
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