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Bought this house five years ago, reliance wanted sixteen hundred bucks to buy out a twelve year old water heater. Two yrs ago I call and they would take eight hundred dollars to buy it out . I dislike them so much I paid eight hundred for an eight hundred dollar heater . But my twenty one plus tax bill a month is gone and if it lasts another yr I’m ahead . I cringe for my neighbours every time I see a reliance truck on my street .


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We have a rental water heater, not happy about it. I don't call them for service if I can at all avoid it. I basically have to stand between them and my boiler the entire time to keep them in their lane. Otherwise they start poking around and are just looking for any minor reason to red tag and try to rent a boiler.
 
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Bought this house five years ago, reliance wanted sixteen hundred bucks to buy out a twelve year old water heater. Two yrs ago I call and they would take eight hundred dollars to buy it out . I dislike them so much I paid eight hundred for an eight hundred dollar heater . But my twenty one plus tax bill a month is gone and if it lasts another yr I’m ahead . I cringe for my neighbours every time I see a reliance truck on my street .


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Ditto Enercare. There's the relatively short payback period with the fantastic bonus of never having to deal with them again. I wish I could back charge them for the hours of waiting on hold as "my call was important to them".

As I told the individual that eventually picked up the call "You aren't experiencing a high volume of calls. You are understaffed."
 
In my case being a FIFO person, it made perfect sense to have a rental as i seen how many times it needed calls to repair. not being home for two wks at a time and knowing the family might not have hot water. i didn't and don't mind paying the 22 bucks a mth
 
It's a tricky business.

Consumers might buy a furnace once or twice in a lifetime -- they are reliable beasts that if maintained can go decades on basic maintenance and minor repairs -- so when faced with an immediate need for heat, they can get trapped into an expensive decision.

Furnace makers layer branding, selling the same items under different brands to different dealers. For example, Lennox sells furnaces under Lennox brand to a closed dealer network at higher prices than the same Ducane-branded furnaces made available to anyone through wholesale distributors.

There are some dirty tricks furnace contractors pull, particularly on elderly and vulnerable homeowners. A tech who finds a 15+ year old furnace will pickup $250 for a referral that ends up in a sale, and he also gets paid for the service call without performing any work! Many of these asshats will red tag a perfectly good furnace that needs a simple repair just to collect their kickback. You know when this is happening to you if the tech can get a 'Manager' to your home in 15 minutes to help you get the heat back on. The "Manager" is a sales rep who's likely standing by waiting for the tech to call. This has happened to me 4 times in the last 10 years with Enercare, most recently 2 weeks ago.

A modern 97% efficient 70,000 BTU 2-stage furnace for a modern 2,400sq' house costs the dealer $1200. $100 for tin, electrical & plumbing parts, then another $300 for labor and overhead of a service tech doing the installation. So, all in costs are about $1600 for a furnace.

If you buy that through Enercare or a full-service 'Home Comfort' firm, they will quote you around $6000+ and charge up to $1000 for vent installation or upgrades if they are needed - you furniture will be installed tomorrow. If you buy that furnace through a Costco using one of their approved vendors it will cost $3,800 for the same furnace, it will be installed waiting 48 hours. If you go directly to a mom-and-pop dealer, expect to pay about the same, maybe $3500 including vent installation and upgrade. If you call a licensed technician flogging side hustles on Kijiji -- $1200 for the furnace, whatever it costs for the vent upgrade parts, and $500 to install - installation after hours or weekends.

So, depending on where you buy and who you are prepared to trust, the same good quality furnace replacement can cost you anywhere between $2000-$7000.
A widower buddy had his furnace crap out on him in the winter and the techie said it would be a week or so to get the required repair part. They loaned him a bunch of 120 volt plug in heaters to keep the chill off and then stalled and stalled. They could put in a new furnace in a day.

After a few weeks buddy (Ex shop teacher) reached out to a colleague who put him in touch with an ex student, now in the trades. Part arrived the next day and installed the following morning. Buddy kept the 120 volt plug ins.
 
Works differently for everyone, our Gal friend is a Reliance customer, fell for “ you can’t live a day without hot water “ , heater quit , guy came and determined part required , day later came back with part , no worky , two guys came on day three and replaced heater which took all afternoon. So not hot water for three days. Me if mine quits when I’m away , which is a lot right now , wife calls Oakville HVAC and they throw in a new unit , maybe that day or next . Same result , which works for us . Lucky Oakville does not have a hard water problem.


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Works differently for everyone, our Gal friend is a Reliance customer, fell for “ you can’t live a day without hot water “ , heater quit , guy came and determined part required , day later came back with part , no worky , two guys came on day three and replaced heater which took all afternoon. So not hot water for three days. Me if mine quits when I’m away , which is a lot right now , wife calls Oakville HVAC and they throw in a new unit , maybe that day or next . Same result , which works for us . Lucky Oakville does not have a hard water problem.


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Sry for your gal pal .Your gal friend might have been better off if she was leasing the unit, mine got replaced the same day. all for the cost of the same 22bucks a mth. maybe she was being rude to customer service. i hear that happens a lot
 
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sry for your gal pal .Your gal friend might have been better if she was leasing the unit, mine got replaced the same day.
My experience was similar to others. Tpr valve failed and leaked. Rental company said remain at home and they would be there within 72 hours. Wtf, I have to take three days off work to get the service that I am paying hundred of dollars a year for? Thankfully that was under the old contracts and buyout and repair cost me less than $100 and I was running that night.

I hate the rental companies. Any argument about whether they are fair or free market is easily countered by looking at the mandated contracts that have you paying more to buy out a 10 year old heater ready for the garbage than it cost new and they have collected their entire cost three times already. Scumbags.

While it seems like you are the only person I know that came out maybe on the plus side, buying your water heater and calling out a local plumber when it has issues very very rarely costs more than rental.
 
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My experience was similar to others. Tpv valve failed and leaked. Rental company said remain at home and they would be there within 72 hours. Wtf, I have to take three days off work to get the service that I am paying hundred of dollars a year for? Thankfully that was under the old contracts and buyout and repair cost me less than $100 and I was running that night.

I hate the rental companies. Any argument about whether they are fair or free market is easily countered by looking at the mandated contracts that have you paying more to buy out a 10 year old heater ready for the garbage than it cost new and they have collected their entire cost three times already. Scumbags.

While it seems like you are the only person I know that came out maybe on the plus side, buying your water heater and calling out a local plumber when it has issues very very rarely costs more than rental.
I agree, now that i'm staying local and not traveling for work. i'm going to have look and see if it's doable without spending the vacation budget
 
Outside the money , giving up FiFo on mine sites would be an easy call . Couple friends and family still in it ( for the money) but it’s not an easy life . Son in law was telling me the grocery bills on Ft Mac camps ( where the food is notoriously good) were truly frightening and have doubled in three years.


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Outside the money , giving up FiFo on mine sites would be an easy call . Couple friends and family still in it ( for the money) but it’s not an easy life . Son in law was telling me the grocery bills on Ft Mac camps ( where the food is notoriously good) were truly frightening and have doubled in three years.


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Everything in Fort Mac has double and more in the last three yrs, If i had a mortgage i still would be doing it.
 
And strangely, the only thing that hasn’t gone up are house prices . My kids house was five hundred k , eight yrs ago, it’s about five hundred k now . With so many short timers , housing investment isn’t really a thing up there . But the cost of living sure has jumped.


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And strangely, the only thing that hasn’t gone up are house prices . My kids house was five hundred k , eight yrs ago, it’s about five hundred k now . With so many short timers , housing investment isn’t really a thing up there . But the cost of living sure has jumped.


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Most houses are rental homes. Same as apartments and condos

FIFO workers
 
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