In just one hour, 10 out of 12 in the pack busted for street racing.

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2500Express said:
Geez, post #190, insulting krazybones. All i did was make a point and used the word turbodouche, which I think was hilarious. Everyone here is so touchy...
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Touchy? You complained about a deleted internet post!!...THAT'S touchy....LOL

Re read the rules about insults.

If you see insults...report them....whining about them in a 20 page thread will get you no where.

Cheers

Paul

Edit: Turbo's post is an opinion of those who have...well..an opinion...not a personal attack like your post.

His thinking may not be right...but it is an opinion.
 
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turbodish said:
When I looked up BC stats last year and the year before, BC was the province with the second-best (behind Ontario) improvement in fatality rates. I'll have to dig to find the actual numbers.
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Link to the stats Turbo...
 
turbodish said:
When I looked up BC stats last year and the year before, BC was the province with the second-best (behind Ontario) improvement in fatality rates. I'll have to dig to find the actual numbers.
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Don't get me wrong, I actually don't doubt you. I believe that it probably reduced fatality rates.
But i mean if you reduced all speed limits to 10 kph. That would reduce fatality rates too.

I mean it really is about using a chainsaw vs a scalpel.
 
turbodish said:
Traffic has generally slowed, even on the 400 series highways.
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Care to quote the carefully-administered, non-partisan study on this?

Fatalities went down drastically after the introduction of HTA172, and they continue to fall. Did you miss the OPP news release following the Civic holiday weekend?
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Statistically insignificant, but more importantly, the HTA 172 was present for both years; thus there if there was any difference in enforcement, it wasn't that. You're doing the Turbostats<tm> using Turbomath<tm> and spreading Turboganda<tm> again...

I think you're exaggerating about the speed of "the majority", but ok. How fast do you think they were going pre-HTA172? Like I said, highways speeds have noticeably dropped since 2007.
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You'll be quoting that unbiased study soon, right? Beuller? Bueller?
 
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OpenGambit said:
Don't get me wrong, I actually don't doubt you. I believe that it probably reduced fatality rates.
But i mean if you reduced all speed limits to 10 kph. That would reduce fatality rates too.

I mean it really is about using a chainsaw vs a scalpel.
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Well, no doubt that reducing speed limits to 10 kmph would have a drastic effect on fatality rates if the lower speed limits were able to be enforced. The question is a matter of trade-offs between utility and safety. Our speed limits, particularly when you take into account the tolerance for "overage" by police, are comparable with most other places in the northeast US. And we still have the best highway safety record in North America and much of the world.
 
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turbodish said:
Well, no doubt that reducing speed limits to 10 kmph would have a drastic effect on fatality rates if the lower speed limits were able to be enforced. The question is a matter of trade-offs between utility and safety.
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I am still curious about the effect that can be reasonably attributed to 172 tho. Which is why I asked for the BC stats because I think it helps control for other factors if the experience is replicated.

I guess I am having some difficulty connecting your assertion that highway speeds have generally slowed to 172 because 172 doesn't have an effect on people going 140.
 
turbodish said:
Well, no doubt that reducing speed limits to 10 kmph would have a drastic effect on fatality rates if the lower speed limits were able to be enforced. The question is a matter of trade-offs between utility and safety. Our speed limits, particularly when you take into account the tolerance for "overage" by police, are comparable with most other places in the northeast US. And we still have the best highway safety record in North America and much of the world.
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we would have a lot more people falling asleep at the wheel at 10km an hour... not quite fast enough to die of boredom...
 
Paul said:
Link to the stats Turbo...
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he has to find turbostats that jive and can be turboized with what he's saying but leave out the facts that we had record costs in gas prices (hey didn't insurance go way up?) plus there's the 5-8% tax hike dalton gave us. and then the not so great weather we had the past few years (i know my first two years of riding if i wanted to ride i had to bring rain gear)..
 
turbodish said:
You know what the answer is then, right? Don't do 50+ over. Better yet, keep under 20 over.

Anyone who knows the penalties and then goes ahead and risks them anyways is just as retarded as they think the law itself is.
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If everyone had your outlook on life the world would be such a terrible place. Conform and obey.
 
You guys are so melodramatic with this anarchy vs conformity stuff.

No wonder its so difficult to take reasonable positions here...
 
turbodish said:
Anarchy is better? You can always take a boat ride to Somalia. They'll be sure to have a grand welcome for you there.
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I wouldn't call the pre street racing roads anarchy. Disobeying arbitrary laws =/= anarchy.

O nooo that kid smoked a joint... and the joint killed my sister.

With regards to speeding. I have only heard of one incident where a motorcyclist killed someone. Usually in a crash, the rider dies. I don;t need the government to hold my hand all my life. If i die i will die, but at least iv lived.
 
KrazyBones said:
I wouldn't call the pre street racing roads anarchy. Disobeying arbitrary laws =/= anarchy.

O nooo that kid smoked a joint... and the joint killed my sister.

With regards to speeding. I have only heard of one incident where a motorcyclist killed someone. Usually in a crash, the rider dies. I don;t need the government to hold my hand all my life. If i die i will die, but at least iv lived.
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The stunting law doesn't apply solely to motorcyclists...

I hope that you don't seriously believe that speeding down a public highway is somehow a prerequsite for "living". There are also such a thing as "tracks".
 
turbodish said:
Fatalities went down drastically after the introduction of HTA172, and they continue to fall. Did you miss the OPP news release following the Civic holiday weekend?
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Oh, really?

turbodish said:
Ontario motorcycle fatality and injury numbers over several years up to and including 2008 are available from MTO. Some spikes, but generally only a slightly rising trend line over the years. The 10-year average rider and passenger fatality number is 50 per year. I wonder where this year will slot in by comparison.



[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Year
1999[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Rider fatality
38[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Rider injury
1,115[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Passenger fatality
3[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Passenger injury
223[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]2000
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]37[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]1,161[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]1[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]257[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]2001[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]49[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]1,166[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]3[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]318[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]2002[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]35[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]1,161[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]3[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]311[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]2003[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]46[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]1,087[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]6[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]268[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]2004
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]44[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]1,107[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]3[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]297[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]2005
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]68[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]1,206[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]6[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]362[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]2006
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]48[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]1,219[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]5[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]352[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]2007
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]48[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]1,274[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]4[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]399[/TD]

[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]2008
[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]50[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]1,199[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]3[/TD]
[TD="bgcolor: transparent"]366[/TD]


* Excludes hangers on, moped drivers and passengers.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/orsar/orsar08/special-vehicles.shtml
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Not seeing any trend that is out of statistical norms with regards to 2008, and the thread that this came from, is expressing concern about the current situation.

http://www.gtamotorcycle.com/vbforu...eport-a-rise-in-serious-motorcycle-collisions
 
OpenGambit said:
The stunting law doesn't apply solely to motorcyclists...

I hope that you don't seriously believe that speeding down a public highway is somehow a prerequsite for "living". There are also such a thing as "tracks".
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If i had to ride at the speed limit i would have to kill myself. Just because i do 130 on a 70 speed limit country road doesn't mean I'm endangering anyone.

Also if there was a prerequisite for issuing a speeding ticket of unsafe operation of a vehicle 99% of the speeding tickets would not be issued.


Speeding=/= danger

Doing 40 over in a 60 with traffic on in a snowstorm (as long as you maintain control) = the same penalty as doing 40 over on a empty highway at 2 in the morning on a hot summer day.
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