Ice fisherman billed for rescue

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Malks said:
I completely agree. People who ignore warnings and then place others in danger just to rescue their sorry *** should have to pay. Hopefully this will send a clear message to others to think before they venture out onto the ice when it is unsafe. BTW, this is not new as many ski areas have been charging for rescues of those who intentionally venture into closed areas.
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The scary part is when everything becomes too dangerous. Every trail or river will get closed and everything fun will be off limits. While couch potatoes can get their free rescue when they get a heart attack. Smoking is known to be dangerous. Should they pay their bill too?
 
daught said:
The scary part is when everything becomes too dangerous. Every trail or river will get closed and everything fun will be off limits. While couch potatoes can get their free rescue when they get a heart attack. Smoking is known to be dangerous. Should they pay their bill too?
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Well said!
 
Yes, I think people who smoke should pay for it.

Also, not every trail, river will not be closed off, the people who depend on this activity would not let it happen, they just want to play safe. The volunteer firefighters are the same people who respond to the emergency call becasue the weekend warriors can't understand the concept of playing safe. If this is the case than we would just ban everything already and then you can just stay home.

daught said:
The scary part is when everything becomes too dangerous. Every trail or river will get closed and everything fun will be off limits. While couch potatoes can get their free rescue when they get a heart attack. Smoking is known to be dangerous. Should they pay their bill too?
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daught said:
Smoking is known to be dangerous. Should they pay their bill too?
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have you seen the price of tobacco? I hate tobacco and think it should be illegal, but they do pay already to kill themselves slowly.
 
BNKN said:
That makes sense. I have to wonder how much of that $5400.00 was punitive then. Or was it just outrageuosly inflated because, well, that's just the way it's done. I hope next time I hit a guardrail and sail into a ravine they cut me a deal because it didn't happen on purpose.
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U might still have to pay for that guard rail

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When are the GTAM firefighters going to jump in this thread and defend this billing practice? They've been very quiet so far.
 
If there are posted warnings and you proceed it's on you IMO. Same as smoking.
 
RetroGrouch said:
When are the GTAM firefighters going to jump in this thread and defend this billing practice? They've been very quiet so far.
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If i know i ever go down I'm calling the toyhauler. Much cheaper, he's already trained & experienced in cpr & truma anyway :D

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gwelfmike said:
Yes, I think people who smoke should pay for it.

Also, not every trail, river will not be closed off, the people who depend on this activity would not let it happen, they just want to play safe. The volunteer firefighters are the same people who respond to the emergency call becasue the weekend warriors can't understand the concept of playing safe. If this is the case than we would just ban everything already and then you can just stay home.
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Problem is who decides what's safe. Chances are some pencil pusher will decide what's safe or not. Look at blue mountain, jumping off a kicker can get you pass taken while at some resorts you can drop off 50ft cliffs. Plenty of things have been banned because of knee jerk reaction. Dangerous things can be done safely, and people that enjoy those things should not have to suffer because of some idiots.

imnothng said:
have you seen the price of tobacco? I hate tobacco and think it should be illegal, but they do pay already to kill themselves slowly.
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Oke, start taxing junk food, TVs, Xbox...
 
If you break your back dropping 50 foots thats all you too.

If you hit rocks in a wing suit and they put bell rangers out, that's on you.

Assumed risk is yours to rectify.

Careless use etc.

If you hitsomeone you pay for all that.

And don't ever speak ill of the SAR or first responders. You dummys call them all the time.

Oh, I think I'll go sailing in my toy boat, woops, gailforce winds. Shoulda looked at conditions....

Come get me guys! I'm dying.
 
Paul1000RR said:
Warnings were given that it wasn't safe and he still went ahead with his fishing, that in my opinion was careless on his end and he should pay for his stupidity, perhaps next time he'll use his head a little.
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Seriously? The bill for this is a bit extreme. The best way to deal with these rescues is to pass by laws and legislation fining people for not exercising due care. As no such laws exist, this guy has zero obligation to pay. If scugog wants to do something about this, create a by law. It amazes me how undemocratic, repressive Canada can be and those who mob together to support these heavy handed actions. If scugog is cash strapped perhaps they need to review how much they pay their public servants. Quite sad, when the average public worker is azz raping the taxpayer of 100k a year and these same azz rapers look for ways to grab more from the public.
 
^ I am all for that, but don't pay for anything then. Going 1km/h over the limit and crashing? It's on you. Hunting accident? It's on you. Not wearing full leather and armor when you crash your bike? It's on you. Not following the minimum exercise per day and not following the nutrition guide? Its on you. I pay for way too many lazy unhealthy fucks anyways.

Why should immediate risk takers be punished when there are so many more long term risk takers. Chances are an unhealthy lifestyle is more dangerous than wingsuit flying.
 
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Exactly. Cull the stupid.

And you could crash at 1 KM under the speed limit. If you crashed, your fault.
 
Does the US coast guard charge for rescues, absolutely not. Perhaps a country who values individuality and freedom is not the Canada you people want. You want a Canada where you have to look for approval before you venture out and do something. Wow, if I thought that way, I would not pull my bike out in march but wait until mid april to get the approval of the masses. The bureacrat who decided to fine this guy should be fired to save the cash strapped scugog some money.
 
the reality is,, the emergency vehicle, its cost, the employees time are budget items to the municipality... but the extra costs incurred to go to a scene could be fuel.. consumables like gauze or something.. wear and tear on the brakes.. I dunno the list.. but for sure the actual costs to drive to the scene was probably $60 in fuel, and $40 in admin fees to collect that money... or.. if it really costs $5400... or $800 to drive to the QEW and back.. for that guy with the hood up.... then how much does it cost for that same truck to swing by the coffee shops on a slow day... really! 4 Fireman in a truck, going for a drive on a nice day.. pick up some coffee .... oh,, test driving the truck! ,,,, ok... ;-) I don't hate firefighters... it is the budget makers that conjure up numbers out of no where ...... the ice fisher should have to pay a couple hundred... but no way is it user pay for 911... if no one calls in for a few days,, will they charge that out toooo as they were "on call" for his needs? wrong! and on a serious note. Does any insurance cover you for a nature walk where you twist your ankle, or fall thru the ice and need a rescue? I think my benifits cover that $50 fee for the ambulance. .... I think my auto insurance covers the responding 911 crews for an accident... and ..... i think if a third party calls 911 for you , you can refuse services, and they won't send you the bill,, even if the person who responds decides they have to transport you, or direct traffic.. this might be a different policy for different jurisdictions...
 
There's got to be a way to maintain rugged individualism and still have a rescue system to draw on. This blindsiding people with outrageous charges isn't the way. I propose a Government run high risk behaviour insurance program.:D Slickeren goosepoop. What could go wrong? $800k per annum for top dog and sunshine list at a minimum for minions.
 
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I live on Lake Simcoe and ice fish. The amount of idiots who go out there when it's not safe is incredible. The amount of idiots who drive their vehicles on the ice when it's not safe is even more entertaining. Bill them all!
 
Does the US coast guard charge for rescue, nope. Under what authority are they authorized to bill for an area under the control of the provincial and federal government. Is ontario allowed to have private health clinic and people opt out of paying for the mcguinty health premium and the onerous taxes wasted on the public health care system, nope. If anyone receives such a bill, this guy and anyone else harassed by whatever bureacrat I recommend return to sender with an added message, go eff urselves. People need to standup to this tyrannical ontario society.
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