oilycreek
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If anyone gets banned it should be you, iposer
HP pad instead of Ipad
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oilycreek
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I wouldn't want to lower my standards and help crap apple
If you're going to get a keyboard anyway then just buy a laptop. Why waste all that money?
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Hmmmmm. HP killed the Touch, killed WebOS, and said they will stop making computers yesterday (aparently they only sold 10% of the Touch tablets they made). Oh well 600, you can always grind one edge of your tablet sharp and keep it in your kitchen to chop vegetables.
HP may drop PCs, to buy Autonomy for $11.7 billion
Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:47PM EDT
By Poornima Gupta and Paritosh Pansal
SAN FRANCISCO/NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hewlett-Packard Co may spin off the world's largest PC business, part of a wrenching series of moves away from the consumer market, including killing its new tablet and buying British software company Autonomy Corp for as much as $11.7 billion.
The moves underscore the problems plaguing personal computers and devices, HP's core business, and a decade-long search for direction by the original Silicon Valley garage startup, whose "HP Way" was once a model for businesses.
The iconic company associated with the birth of Silicon Valley also plans to kill WebOS-based phones and the TouchPad tablet, which was launched in June but has failed to excite consumers.
HP's third-largest acquisition ever and its potential departure from the PC arena sets in motion a transformation that recalls International Business Machine Corp's overhaul of the last decade.
The barrage of news, which forced HP to announce third-quarter earnings an hour early on Thursday, masked a sharp reduction in HP's estimates for full-year revenue and earnings that sent its shares down 6.1 percent to a 52-week low. They slid another 10 percent to $26.61 in after-hours trading.
HP Chief Executive Leo Apotheker is responding to mounting pressure to fire up growth just as global economic and tech-spending outlooks darken. Like other PC makers, it is struggling to come up with an answer to Apple Inc's iPhones and iPads, which are gobbling up PC market share.
"HP is at a critical point in its existence and these changes are fundamental to the success we all want," Apotheker told analysts on a conference call.
The announcement is the second this week to show how quickly technology companies are transforming as they jockey for position to cope with radical changes in consumer demand. Google Inc announced on Monday it was buying mobile handset maker Motorola Mobility for $12.5 billion, launching the Internet search and mobile software company into manufacturing for the first time.
HP "is saying 'I want to be more like IBM.' They divested their PC business and they got more involved in software," said FBN Securities analyst Shelby Seyrafi.
"The PC industry is a very challenged one because of the slow growth in that sector. For those companies like HP which don't have a strong tablet offering, they are victims of the encroachment of Apple's iPads and tablets on their notebook business. So they're vulnerable to losing share."
The acquisition of cloud search-software specialist Autonomy, which analysts say may draw rival bids, marks its boldest foray into the software and technology services after Apotheker came on board with a mandate to drive innovation.
A PC spinoff marks a historic shift for a company that Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard built into a sprawling $120 billion empire from a $538 garage operation in 1939.
"HP is recognizing what the world has recognized, which is hardware in terms of consumers is not a huge growth business anymore," said Michael Yoshikami, chief executive of YCMNET Advisors, a minor shareholder in HP. "It's not where the money is. It's in keeping with the new CEO's perspective that they want to be more in services and more business oriented."
LEO MAKES BOLD MOVE
Speculation has swirled for months that HP was no longer keen on keeping a PC business struggling with low growth and single-digit margins.
Sources told Reuters in June that private equity firms from Blackstone Group and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts to TPG Capital would like HP to break up and sell them some of its units, arguing that the world's No. 1 PC maker and tech powerhouse is stretched too thin.
Spinning off the PC division, run by personal systems group chief Todd Bradley, would mark one of the biggest makeovers for the company since 1999, when it spun off its measurement and components businesses to form Agilent Technologies.
The moves would turn a company that in some ways tried to mimic Apple into a devout follower of IBM, dropping a tablet with innovative software, checking out of the PC business and embracing the software and services Big Blue today embraces.
HP has twisted and turned before, including controversial former CEO Carly Fiorina's acquisition of PC maker Compaq in 2001, which a spinoff would undo.
"If HP spins off their PC business ..., maybe they will call it Compaq?" Dell Inc CEO tweeted after the news emerged.
Some alternatives HP is exploring include hiving off its PC business into a separate company through a spin-off or other transaction that would likely be tax-free to U.S. shareholders. HP expects the process to be completed within 12-18 months.
Apotheker, however, made it clear that its printing unit -- also the target of spinoff speculation -- was very strategic to the company.
Apotheker, a former chief of European software giant SAP AG, had been expected to drive an expansion of the company's relatively small but very profitable software division -- including through major acquisitions.
Cambridge, England-based Autonomy counts Procter & Gamble Co among a long list of major corporate customers that use its software to search and organize unstructured data like emails. It said the offer values its fully diluted share capital at as much as 7.09 billion pounds ($11.7 billion), were a clutch of convertible bonds to be exercised. Under the agreement, Barclays Capital will provide debt financing to help bankroll HP's acquisition.
The British firm's CFO, Sushovan Hussain, is on a visit to California, a source told Reuters.
"HP would be buying this as part of a refocus of the business on software," said Tim Daniels, technology, media and telecoms strategist at Olivetree Securities. "Clients now don't have a problem accumulating data, the problem is the structuring of it. Eighty percent of the data on the Web now is unstructured: video, pictures, emails, etc."
KILLING THE TOUCHPAD?
HP's Personal Systems Group also includes smartphones, tablets and the WebOS operating system, pulling in about $41 billion in revenue but only about 13 percent of profit.
HP's decision to discontinue the TouchPad -- which hit the store shelves in July with much costly fanfare -- follows poor demand. It was discounted by $100 a month after it was launched in a market dominated by the iPad. WebOS came with the $1.2 billion acquisition of Palm last year.
"There were also a lot of missteps, such as launching it a month before it was ready and pricing it the same as the iPad 2," said Current Analysis' Avi Greengart. "It was a great operating system. Everybody was pulling for it but a lot of people weren't buying it."
Going forward, HP expects further pressure on its revenue and cut its full-year forecast for the third straight quarter.
HP now expects full-year revenue of $127.2 billion to $127.6 billion, down from a previous estimate of $129 billion to $130 billion. It also cut its earnings per share estimate to a range of $3.59 to $3.70, down from its previous estimate of at least $4.27 per share.
Barclays Capital and Perella Weinberg are advising HP, while Qatalyst Partners, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Merrill Lynch, UBS and JPMorgan Chase are advising Autonomy.
HP also named John Visentin as executive vice president of its services group. Ann Livermore, former HP Enterprise unit chief who was managing the services unit on an interim basis, will move over to the company's board.
(Additional reporting by Megan Davies and Sinead Carew in New York, Bill Rigby in Seattle, Alexei Oreskovic in San Francisco, Victoria Rowley, Georgina Prodhan and Paul Sandle in London; Writing by Edwin Chan; Editing by Richard Chang and Carol Bishopric)
Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:47PM EDT
By Poornima Gupta and Paritosh Pansal
SAN FRANCISCO/NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hewlett-Packard Co may spin off the world's largest PC business, part of a wrenching series of moves away from the consumer market, including killing its new tablet and buying British software company Autonomy Corp for as much as $11.7 billion.
The moves underscore the problems plaguing personal computers and devices, HP's core business, and a decade-long search for direction by the original Silicon Valley garage startup, whose "HP Way" was once a model for businesses.
The iconic company associated with the birth of Silicon Valley also plans to kill WebOS-based phones and the TouchPad tablet, which was launched in June but has failed to excite consumers.
HP's third-largest acquisition ever and its potential departure from the PC arena sets in motion a transformation that recalls International Business Machine Corp's overhaul of the last decade.
The barrage of news, which forced HP to announce third-quarter earnings an hour early on Thursday, masked a sharp reduction in HP's estimates for full-year revenue and earnings that sent its shares down 6.1 percent to a 52-week low. They slid another 10 percent to $26.61 in after-hours trading.
HP Chief Executive Leo Apotheker is responding to mounting pressure to fire up growth just as global economic and tech-spending outlooks darken. Like other PC makers, it is struggling to come up with an answer to Apple Inc's iPhones and iPads, which are gobbling up PC market share.
"HP is at a critical point in its existence and these changes are fundamental to the success we all want," Apotheker told analysts on a conference call.
The announcement is the second this week to show how quickly technology companies are transforming as they jockey for position to cope with radical changes in consumer demand. Google Inc announced on Monday it was buying mobile handset maker Motorola Mobility for $12.5 billion, launching the Internet search and mobile software company into manufacturing for the first time.
HP "is saying 'I want to be more like IBM.' They divested their PC business and they got more involved in software," said FBN Securities analyst Shelby Seyrafi.
"The PC industry is a very challenged one because of the slow growth in that sector. For those companies like HP which don't have a strong tablet offering, they are victims of the encroachment of Apple's iPads and tablets on their notebook business. So they're vulnerable to losing share."
The acquisition of cloud search-software specialist Autonomy, which analysts say may draw rival bids, marks its boldest foray into the software and technology services after Apotheker came on board with a mandate to drive innovation.
A PC spinoff marks a historic shift for a company that Bill Hewlett and Dave Packard built into a sprawling $120 billion empire from a $538 garage operation in 1939.
"HP is recognizing what the world has recognized, which is hardware in terms of consumers is not a huge growth business anymore," said Michael Yoshikami, chief executive of YCMNET Advisors, a minor shareholder in HP. "It's not where the money is. It's in keeping with the new CEO's perspective that they want to be more in services and more business oriented."
LEO MAKES BOLD MOVE
Speculation has swirled for months that HP was no longer keen on keeping a PC business struggling with low growth and single-digit margins.
Sources told Reuters in June that private equity firms from Blackstone Group and Kohlberg Kravis Roberts to TPG Capital would like HP to break up and sell them some of its units, arguing that the world's No. 1 PC maker and tech powerhouse is stretched too thin.
Spinning off the PC division, run by personal systems group chief Todd Bradley, would mark one of the biggest makeovers for the company since 1999, when it spun off its measurement and components businesses to form Agilent Technologies.
The moves would turn a company that in some ways tried to mimic Apple into a devout follower of IBM, dropping a tablet with innovative software, checking out of the PC business and embracing the software and services Big Blue today embraces.
HP has twisted and turned before, including controversial former CEO Carly Fiorina's acquisition of PC maker Compaq in 2001, which a spinoff would undo.
"If HP spins off their PC business ..., maybe they will call it Compaq?" Dell Inc CEO tweeted after the news emerged.
Some alternatives HP is exploring include hiving off its PC business into a separate company through a spin-off or other transaction that would likely be tax-free to U.S. shareholders. HP expects the process to be completed within 12-18 months.
Apotheker, however, made it clear that its printing unit -- also the target of spinoff speculation -- was very strategic to the company.
Apotheker, a former chief of European software giant SAP AG, had been expected to drive an expansion of the company's relatively small but very profitable software division -- including through major acquisitions.
Cambridge, England-based Autonomy counts Procter & Gamble Co among a long list of major corporate customers that use its software to search and organize unstructured data like emails. It said the offer values its fully diluted share capital at as much as 7.09 billion pounds ($11.7 billion), were a clutch of convertible bonds to be exercised. Under the agreement, Barclays Capital will provide debt financing to help bankroll HP's acquisition.
The British firm's CFO, Sushovan Hussain, is on a visit to California, a source told Reuters.
"HP would be buying this as part of a refocus of the business on software," said Tim Daniels, technology, media and telecoms strategist at Olivetree Securities. "Clients now don't have a problem accumulating data, the problem is the structuring of it. Eighty percent of the data on the Web now is unstructured: video, pictures, emails, etc."
KILLING THE TOUCHPAD?
HP's Personal Systems Group also includes smartphones, tablets and the WebOS operating system, pulling in about $41 billion in revenue but only about 13 percent of profit.
HP's decision to discontinue the TouchPad -- which hit the store shelves in July with much costly fanfare -- follows poor demand. It was discounted by $100 a month after it was launched in a market dominated by the iPad. WebOS came with the $1.2 billion acquisition of Palm last year.
"There were also a lot of missteps, such as launching it a month before it was ready and pricing it the same as the iPad 2," said Current Analysis' Avi Greengart. "It was a great operating system. Everybody was pulling for it but a lot of people weren't buying it."
Going forward, HP expects further pressure on its revenue and cut its full-year forecast for the third straight quarter.
HP now expects full-year revenue of $127.2 billion to $127.6 billion, down from a previous estimate of $129 billion to $130 billion. It also cut its earnings per share estimate to a range of $3.59 to $3.70, down from its previous estimate of at least $4.27 per share.
Barclays Capital and Perella Weinberg are advising HP, while Qatalyst Partners, Goldman Sachs, Citigroup, Merrill Lynch, UBS and JPMorgan Chase are advising Autonomy.
HP also named John Visentin as executive vice president of its services group. Ann Livermore, former HP Enterprise unit chief who was managing the services unit on an interim basis, will move over to the company's board.
(Additional reporting by Megan Davies and Sinead Carew in New York, Bill Rigby in Seattle, Alexei Oreskovic in San Francisco, Victoria Rowley, Georgina Prodhan and Paul Sandle in London; Writing by Edwin Chan; Editing by Richard Chang and Carol Bishopric)
oilycreek
Banned
This way you have the best of both worlds. Use the tablet and when you need a laptop just pop it on.
Maybe I'm out of touch, but I thought that laptops were still ahead of tablets for things such as os, processing speed, memory, hard drives, protection for the screen etc.
Then again I had a full sized keyboard for my palm pilot.
I never liked Apple products because quite frankly there is a ton of things to hate about them ... Apple fanbois among the top things to hate (and the closed nature of the products)
BUT, I got an iPad2 (32gig 3G) for my birthday in June and I LOVE it ... It's with me almost everywhere I go.
I use it for everything I used to use my PC for (expect for burning media) and I actually like using it better. I haven't even turned on my home PC in three months now. At work, I use the PC for word processing and inventory management/payroll (and I just found an app for both should I have decide to switch ... heh)
Is it perfect? Nope ... but I love websurfing, twitter, games, podcasts, watching TV, etc etc etc on it ... only complaint I have is that I can't use Sirius (with a US account) because I don't have a US credit card to download the FREE app for the US iTunes (that's absolutely retarded) and the app isn't available in the Canadian iTunes. I can't listen to it using the online radio player because it's Flash based. That's really the only thing that has ****** me off since I have owned it.
I don't think I would own an iPhone or a Mac desktop/laptop, but the iPad is probably the best gadget I have ever owned. I love it ... it's fantastic at what it does. It has it's limits (no flash so some websites don't work well), but it's one of the few things that I use each and everyday and it just seems to get better and better when you discover things to do with it that you didn't know about the day before
Say what you will about Apple and the stigma attached with the arrogance of the fanbois ... the iPad is a terrific product.
I haven't tried the Android or HP tablets, but I can't imagine that they are better (or even on par at this point ... maybe in the future) than the iPad is right now
BUT, I got an iPad2 (32gig 3G) for my birthday in June and I LOVE it ... It's with me almost everywhere I go.
I use it for everything I used to use my PC for (expect for burning media) and I actually like using it better. I haven't even turned on my home PC in three months now. At work, I use the PC for word processing and inventory management/payroll (and I just found an app for both should I have decide to switch ... heh)
Is it perfect? Nope ... but I love websurfing, twitter, games, podcasts, watching TV, etc etc etc on it ... only complaint I have is that I can't use Sirius (with a US account) because I don't have a US credit card to download the FREE app for the US iTunes (that's absolutely retarded) and the app isn't available in the Canadian iTunes. I can't listen to it using the online radio player because it's Flash based. That's really the only thing that has ****** me off since I have owned it.
I don't think I would own an iPhone or a Mac desktop/laptop, but the iPad is probably the best gadget I have ever owned. I love it ... it's fantastic at what it does. It has it's limits (no flash so some websites don't work well), but it's one of the few things that I use each and everyday and it just seems to get better and better when you discover things to do with it that you didn't know about the day before
Say what you will about Apple and the stigma attached with the arrogance of the fanbois ... the iPad is a terrific product.
I haven't tried the Android or HP tablets, but I can't imagine that they are better (or even on par at this point ... maybe in the future) than the iPad is right now
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Used the 2nd link and it worked great! When I tried to create a US account with my iPad, it demanded a US Credit Card ... the way listed above worked perfectly from my PC (my first time using my home PC in months was to get an iPad app ... hah ... ironic)
Thanks so much ... now my iPad is virtually perfect
Thanks so much ... now my iPad is virtually perfect
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^^holy crap...really?
I'd buy one at $99
I'd buy one at $99
Hell ya it is....hrmm maybe i'll hop on the bike and check this out in person.
LOL the futureshop at kennedy sold out when I got there.
How long do you think it'll take RIM to do the same with the Playbook? :happy3:
How long do you think it'll take RIM to do the same with the Playbook? :happy3:
The flyer I just got says 449