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How to keep young people from turning to ISIS?

griff2 said:
This is taken of the religionofpeace website, which is a blatant attack site. Nutbars.

The bias is evident in the captions associated with the links, starting with the very first link in your list.


The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.
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Ah yes, default position: attack the messenger.

Is every study and poll listed there (which was not performed by said website) biased and as such should be discarded?

Can you ignore the rhetoric of the site and focus on the results of the numerous studies and then comment?

Is any of the evidence provided in any way supporting or refuting the debate we're having?
 
griff2 said:
This is taken of the religionofpeace website, which is a blatant attack site. Nutbars.

The bias is evident in the captions associated with the links, starting with the very first link in your list.

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

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This claim is misleading. The actual poll quote is below.
The ICM opinion poll also indicates that a fifth have sympathy with the "feelings and motives" of the suicide bombers who attacked London last July 7, killing 52 people, although 99 per cent thought the bombers were wrong to carry out the atrocity.
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99% thought the bombers were wrong. That is the relevant number, not that 20% have some sympathy for the "feeling and motives". In other words, that vast majority say that violence is not acceptable even if your feelings are hurt by depictions of their prophet.

The religionofpeace site is dishonest on its very surface, and you embrace it. Why do the mods on this site continue to allow you to spread hate?
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Attack site or not, the links are individually verifiable. I clicked some random ones to find sources and the captions are generally pulled right from the source articles.

The 20% thing you mentioned is factual, regardless of how its worded or what YOU think the implication is. The fact is, according to that specific poll, 20% of the Muslims who responded show sympathy to the attackers feeling and motives.

You'd be HARD pressed to find a European poll where a Muslim respondent will flat out say they agree with a criminal/terrorist action (for painfully obvious reasons), regardless of their actual belief. So the 99% part is entirely pointless.
 
A lot of the links were from PEW research though... although I am sure with your blinders you'd find something wrong with them too.

There were even links to The Jakarta Post, which I know of very well as I lived in Jakarta and had three friends who wrote for that newspaper.

As for the hate thing... you must be a buddy of Shah... wanting to shut down any criticism of Islam because it offends you.
 
Brian P said:
leading to ...



Please cite ONE example.

Since you brought up the point, it's your responsibility to cite your source, not to tell us to "take our blinders off".
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Start with the Morganteller clinic on Harbord Street in Toronto for something close to home. Carry on to the shootings of abortion doctors Hugh Shortt of Ancaster, Garson Romalis of Vancouver, Jack Fainman of Winnipeg, all beieved to have been shot by Christian fundamentaist nutbar James Kopp.

Now, what about your responsibility as a mod? Why are you countenancing rampant hate mongering on this site?
 
CruisnGrrl said:
no voodoo?
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Voodoo is old African witchcraft brought from the slaves.
They adopted religion from the planters during the slave trade
 
Motorcycle Mike said:
A lot of the links were from PEW research though... although I am sure with your blinders you'd find something wrong with them too.

There were even links to The Jakarta Post, which I know of very well as I lived in Jakarta and had three friends who wrote for that newspaper.

As for the hate thing... you must be a buddy of Shah... wanting to shut down any criticism of Islam because it offends you.
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I would be just as bothered if hate-mongering some fool was here doing the same rampant attack on Christianity and Judaism because of the acts of extremists among them.
 
griff2 said:
Start with the Morganteller clinic on Harbord Street in Toronto for something close to home. Carry on to the shootings of abortion doctors Hugh Shortt of Ancaster, Garson Romalis of Vancouver, Jack Fainman of Winnipeg, all beieved to have been shot by Christian fundamentaist nutbar James Kopp.

Now, what about your responsibility as a mod? Why are you countenancing rampant hate mongering on this site?
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So you have 1 nutbar who it is "believed" to have shot some abortion doctors. Now back to Islam, please tell us how your "evidence" justifies the heinous numerous crimes committed by Islamists in the name of Allah, many of which are simply for criticizing Islam?

PS. It's not hatemongering if it's true.... ;)
 
During my stint in Catholic school, they taught me to refrain from violence. They said if I were to be slapped on one cheek turn the other cheek. Forgiveness was also a cornerstone in their teachings. I once asked how many times someone should forgive, it was quoted as 17x7. But in the old days that was a huge number, they don't count to a couple thousand.

So yeah, for those who say Christianity is a violent religion, you're out to lunch
 
RockerGuy said:
During my stint in Catholic school, they taught me to refrain from violence. They said if I were to be slapped on one cheek turn the other cheek. Forgiveness was also a cornerstone in their teachings. I once asked how many times someone should forgive, it was quoted as 17x7. But in the old days that was a huge number, they don't count to a couple thousand.

So yeah, for those who say Christianity is a violent religion, you're out to lunch
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http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_10_worst_examples_of_christian_or_far_right_terrorism_partner/
 
sonnythebull said:
Yes most serial killers are white. So will you accept most muslims believe in extreme views?
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He is not even right about that though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_number_of_victims

Serial killers can be found in every country and therefore any race, although the most prolific serial killers seem to be Columbian.

Here is
#1
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and #2
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And some of Shah's homeboy serial killers:
Javed Iqbal:
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Abul Djabar:
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And Ahmad Suradji, for a few examples:
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Nice twist of words you did not generalize christians this time by saying all christians are serial killers but said most muslims are extremist..
 
Can't keep up with all the new and emerging points of view. Will need spread sheet soon.
 
Does it make Muslims feel better to point out acts of terrorism carried out by Christians? Does this somehow negate the fact that for every one of those acts, there are 50 committed in the name of Islam?

Sorry fellas, but present day terrorism is a monopoly. It's clear as day to anyone who hasn't been living in a cave for the past 2 decades.
 
I did not know that.
 
Snobike Mike said:
So you have 1 nutbar who it is "believed" to have shot some abortion doctors. Now back to Islam, please tell us how your "evidence" justifies the heinous numerous crimes committed by Islamists in the name of Allah, many of which are simply for criticizing Islam?

PS. It's not hatemongering if it's true.... ;)
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Its hate mongering if you take actions of a decimal point equivalant of a population and apply to it on mass....


See how sonny chooses to generalize against muslims but not against others.. showing he is not interested in seeing this as a action of people from across the world but instead a strictly muslim phenomenon... extremist exist in all walks of life...

Most ironically "non racist" people in nazi germany did the exact same things against jews.. trued to demonize entire ethnic/religiius populations based on the actions of a very extreme minority....
Simply because it was popular thing to do...
 
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shahfaisal said:
Its hatr mongering if you take actions of a decimal point equivalant of a population and apply to it in mass....
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And what of the countless polls and articles about large numbers of Muslims being sympathetic towards those terrorists and their actions? Those certainly aren't "decimal point equivalent"
 
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