How much do you pay in Taxes?

JavaFan said:
travel a bit guys, not vacations, but for work
see how the rest of the world lives
you'll appreciate your country more
and not ***** about taxes that build and maintain our communities
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I don't mind the taxes but let's not become complacent. Waste is waste.

It's easy for the government to wave off a million or two because it's a small percentage of the tab. Somewhere some battered wife is getting her face punched in every time hubby gets stinko and $50,000.00 a year could put her and the kids into a safe apartment.

Another tuition could be paid and Canada could advance in technology or medicine instead of building bridges to nowhere.

Shorter op wait times instead of longer limos for the politicians.

Yes many or even most places are worse but what sort of standard are we setting when we don't do our best?
 
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For those bitching about paying taxes that go to welfare recipients on drugs, places where drug tests were administered for welfare ended up costing more than what was saved denying people welfare. And that's just for the drug tests, it's not counting the social costs, but you're not paying for someones drugs right? Wrong. The drug tests showed a tiny minority were using drugs and you just cut the recipient off and now they don't have rent/food money (looking at the little amount they do get I don't know how they get drugs) so they're going to go get a job right? Because they have lots of skills that will get them a job right off the bat and they're attractive to employers... or are they going to do something that might get them some quick cash, like break into your car/house and if caught end up costing us the tax payer four to five times what the person would make at a minimum wage job? But they gotta be punished for being poor/unskilled/unlucky and possibly lazy or stupid.
 
CruisnGrrl said:
For those bitching about paying taxes that go to welfare recipients on drugs, places where drug tests were administered for welfare ended up costing more than what was saved denying people welfare. And that's just for the drug tests, it's not counting the social costs, but you're not paying for someones drugs right? Wrong. The drug tests showed a tiny minority were using drugs and you just cut the recipient off and now they don't have rent/food money (looking at the little amount they do get I don't know how they get drugs) so they're going to go get a job right? Because they have lots of skills that will get them a job right off the bat and they're attractive to employers... or are they going to do something that might get them some quick cash, like break into your car/house and if caught end up costing us the tax payer four to five times what the person would make at a minimum wage job? But they gotta be punished for being poor/unskilled/unlucky and possibly lazy or stupid.
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Similarly with the safe injection sites. I'm about as redneck as anyone but I'd rather avoid expanding the number of diseases spread by dirty needles. The alternate is tons more money spent on long term care.

If you're going to make drug testing mandatory start with the House of Commons. Listen to the discussions and try to convince me they aren't on something.
 
Don't mind paying taxes and understand the government isn't going to fund and operate as I would.

For me, it's the waste. Piss poor contracts, broken promises, continuous studies, repeating studies, send for consultation, pay more consultants, make reports, the data is insuffient, need more studies, the political winds change, drop the initiatives, blame previous governments, etc.

I'll pay for police, fire, ambulance, hospitals, teachers etc. Rather enjoy my garbage pick up.

Don't think there is many riding the high life on welfare. Of course there is abuse and drug use.

But, the waste and mismanagement from a federal level to municipal level is out of control. And the easy solution is to tax to spend. You want something, just gonna raise the capital and make it happen.

We have roads being built and now you have to pay in addition to taxes. Pay to drive on the 407 and even HOV lanes.

Eye exams? Got to pay. Unless your benefits cover.

So the government gets their share for taxes. And of course, pay into the pension plan that everyone says we will never collect from. Pay EI premiums.

My net is half my gross.

And then what is deposited, I use and pay hst on anything I buy.

So tell me what the incentive is to earn a "decent" living is?

I'm going for a ride while I can!!!!
 
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when did you last see a Province of Ontario construction crew, they have been farmed out on contract my entire lifetime, and I'm old.
 
governments do build roads

not the shovel in the ground and lay asphalt activities

but they are the builder

don't think I'd want to see a road physically built by bureaucrats
 
It shouldn't surprise anyone, how else do you expect Canada to support refugees and hand out hundreds of millions of dollar in foreign aid ?
 
TK4 said:
I don't believe anything from the Fraser Institute. They are a ultra-conservative think tank who's business it is to generate this kind of data.

"It has been criticized in the past for counting in business taxes. For instance, the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives released a report in 2010 arguing the Fraser Institute used "fuzzy math."
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And just what is the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives?

The ​
Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives
is an avowedly left-leaning think-tank that first won charitable status in 1987, and has become a fixture on the federal scene, known in particular for its so-called Alternative Federal Budget each year.​

-- McLean's Magazine
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You can criticize the Fraser Institute, but use statistics to prove your argument. Don't just say "Oh, I just know they're biased. Cuz I just know it."
 
CruisnGrrl said:
Studdies have shown the roads cost less and last longer in the long run when the government builds them rather than farming them out to the lowest bidder.
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Excellent. Do you have the links for this? My son is trying to find this data for an Environmental Science project he is working on. He's been googling it for hours
 
Holy thread revival!
 
TK4 said:
I don't believe anything from the Fraser Institute. They are a ultra-conservative think tank who's business it is to generate this kind of data.

"It has been criticized in the past for counting in business taxes. For instance, the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives released a report in 2010 arguing the Fraser Institute used "fuzzy math."
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Know your politics. Fraser institute is recognized worldwide as Canada`s top think tank, and respected as one of world`s top 20. It is libertarian, not ultra-conservative and published papers based on liberal economics.

Mentioning the CCAP in the same breath as a respected think tank is a bit of a joke. CCAP isn`t a think tank, they are a socialist political lobby -- big difference. The article you point out is an example of leftist `fake news`. Even a high school economics course tells you there in only one tax payer.
 
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Mad Mike said:
Know your politics. Fraser institute is recognized worldwide as Canada`s top think tank, and respected as one of world`s top 20. It is libertarian, not ultra-conservative and published papers based on liberal economics.
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Anything right of Toronto Star is Ultra Right!
 
ungoloth said:
I make a decent buck. They take very close to half my wages for income tax immediately. Anything I buy is another 13%. Add property tax and other costs like water bills (gone up 500% in 15 years) and now our new OPP tax... I only keep about 36 cents out of every dollar I earn :( Lets not forget insurance extortion, compounded interest rates and extra fees that our taxation aught to cover in the first place. Oh did I mention that we get hosed for most of the products we buy? Why does a typical Toyota cost $10,000 less in the US than in CA? I'll get off my soap box now.
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And there is more than basic income, property and sales taxes:

Insurance tax (OHIP tax collected by ins companies).
Fuel Tax (gas, diesel)
Gasoline Tax. (gas)
Gross Revenue Tax (hydro generation)
Beer and Wine Tax
Spirits Tax.
Tobacco Tax.
Carbon tax.

Tax on Tax - the above taxes retaxed (tax-on-the-tax) with GST and HST.

Capital Gains Tax.
Land Transfer Tax.
OHIP Health Premium Surtax.
Income Surtax 1
Income Surtax 2
Licence tax.
Licence plate tax.
Estate administration tax.

Employer Health Tax.
WSIB tax.
Miner`s Tax

Thos are the ones that are top of mind, I`m sure there are more.
 
CruisnGrrl said:
Studdies have shown the roads cost less and last longer in the long run when the government builds them rather than farming them out to the lowest bidder.
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Better do some more studdieing - gov`t do not build roads, they spec and contract them. Always have.
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