^^^ this. I'm so much happier on my current ride as it does pretty much EVERYTHING better than my SS's did (other than wind protection at speed). The Gap is a good comparison for me too; the DRZ400SM was quicker than the TL1000S.
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How does it feel to go to an SS from a Sport?
- Thread starter shakalaka
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^^^ this. I'm so much happier on my current ride as it does pretty much EVERYTHING better than my SS's did (other than wind protection at speed). The Gap is a good comparison for me too; the DRZ400SM was quicker than the TL1000S.
lator-illa
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油井緋色;2176947 said:
While I agree with you that back squats aren't the only form, I believe front squats are better for you esp. for riding. I think riding involves alot more core than anything really, and Front Squats > back squats for core.
But crash stats don't lie.
conundrum
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One of the things I like about the 250 is getting to stretch its legs in every gear it has. The thing I don't understand about having a 1000 SS or 600 SS for the street is how it can be fun to only get to use 1-10% of what the bike is capable of 99.9% of the time, considering they can break every speed law in first gear. Yes it would be nice to have that much power and acceleration, but when I watch video of people running 1000 SS bikes quasi-legally in the twisties (so say maybe double the limit) they are always in the same gear, pulling between around 2,000-5,000 rpm. I guess that is the nature of the 'slow bike fast' vs 'fast bike slow' debate.
Different strokes for different folks I guess. Two of the biggest reasons I am more interested in the CBR650F over the CBR600RRA is that I can ride a full or half day without stopping (except for gas) and not be sore at all, plus having more torque down low (where it can be used legally) and hopefully being able to rev it in 1 or 2 gears without doing 150+.
Different strokes for different folks I guess. Two of the biggest reasons I am more interested in the CBR650F over the CBR600RRA is that I can ride a full or half day without stopping (except for gas) and not be sore at all, plus having more torque down low (where it can be used legally) and hopefully being able to rev it in 1 or 2 gears without doing 150+.
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AL3RT
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Gearing ratio on a litre SS bike is very long and forgiving.
Try entering a highway on a 250cc bike from a dead stop. You will have to work through all the gears and stay in 6th just to keep up with the traffic flow.
Then imagine the traffic in front of you slowing down from 120 to 80 and then speeding back up to 120 after a minute or two. You will have to work the gears down from 6th to 5th to 4th to 3rd and then back to 4th to 5th to 6th.
While a guy on a SuperSport next to you can stay in 6th all the way without breaking a sweat and just feathering the throttle.
Yet, because of torque a SuperSport bike packs - one must respect it at all times. You simply can't afford doing the same fulling around on it you could do while riding a 250. Cross that line and it will bite your head off.
It's like dating different kind of women. You can screw around with ones and they don't mind it, and then you try pushing the limits with the others and suddenly find your tires slashed and the house on fire.
Try entering a highway on a 250cc bike from a dead stop. You will have to work through all the gears and stay in 6th just to keep up with the traffic flow.
Then imagine the traffic in front of you slowing down from 120 to 80 and then speeding back up to 120 after a minute or two. You will have to work the gears down from 6th to 5th to 4th to 3rd and then back to 4th to 5th to 6th.
While a guy on a SuperSport next to you can stay in 6th all the way without breaking a sweat and just feathering the throttle.
Yet, because of torque a SuperSport bike packs - one must respect it at all times. You simply can't afford doing the same fulling around on it you could do while riding a 250. Cross that line and it will bite your head off.
It's like dating different kind of women. You can screw around with ones and they don't mind it, and then you try pushing the limits with the others and suddenly find your tires slashed and the house on fire.
Agreed. But in my Ninja 650r to ZX-6R experience, there really is a huge difference in the sensation of the SS. It is just so much quicker to react and sharper. Even though I rarely if ever do anything on my SS that I couldn't do on my 650r, I am actually happy paying all the extra gas and insurance to have the communication and response my SS gives me on even everyday riding. And the seat is way better than the POS on the 650r so it isn't even less comfortable to me. Though I do prefer the sound of a parallel twin to the terrible yelling these Japanese I4s do.
You make it sound like shifting is intense physical labor. Part of the fun, if I wanted to sit and not shift, I'd drive an automatic Honda Civic (cervix).
+, have a nice dinner and hotel with all the insurance money you save.
dasiffy
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That's why on every first date you should flirt outrageously with the waitress. Test the waters.
Has anyone ridden the daytona 675 and the street tripple 675R.
I'd like to know how far apart they are in terms of nimbleness, agility.
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AL3RT
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You should have said Vespa instead of Civic.
I hate automatic myself. All my cars are manual - 5 and 6 speed. Driving a stick and being in full control is a feeling I will never replace with a computer controlled whatever-tronic transmission, even if it comes with flappy paddles on a side.
Bikes were given manual gears for the same reason - full control. Yet, back to the point, we are looking at differences here between SS and Sport. It's a comparison thing. That's what OP was asking for.
Matthew.Tremayne
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How are you not a liter hater? Where are these facts from? Matter of fact all the liter riders I know all know how to ride.
Yes that's me on my liter.
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All the liter owners I know can ride, it's the nimrod's you see on the streets and the 400 series highways... That or when you rip past them in the twisties lol.
600 has a larger variety, some worse then liter riders.
1000: Good or Bad.
600: Good, mediocre, bad.
Honda's are pretty tame though... nice pic.
R1 > Cibber
All the liter owners I know can ride, it's the nimrod's you see on the streets and the 400 series highways... That or when you rip past them in the twisties lol.
600 has a larger variety, some worse then liter riders.
1000: Good or Bad.
600: Good, mediocre, bad.
Honda's are pretty tame though... nice pic.
R1 > Cibber
So all the liter riders u know can ride but then you said half of them can't? Contradicting much?
There will always be bad and good riders, doesn't matter on the type of bike.
With your line of thinking I'm happy you don't like cbr's.
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Deimos
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I've been riding a 2013 CBR500RA for a while now and was looking to move up to a 600. Just demoed the 2014 ZX-6R and the seating position felt so unnatural and uncomfortable that I couldn't even get into enjoying the ride. You're so leaned over that it almost feels like you're going to fall over the handle bars. And it feels nowhere near as nimble at slow speeds, but maybe that's to do with steering damper? Cause I tried slaloming in my lane and it was impossible to do.
Am I overreacting here? Is this something that you get used to? Cause I can't imagine riding in that position for more than an hour. The power was definitely impressive though
Sounds like SS isn't for you, as far as street is concerned at least. Maybe get a track bike to see the SS potential? For everything else, a standard bike works for most people. I don't regret selling my cbr for an sv650. If I could afford a ktm 990 smr tomorrow, I'd be riding that.
Matthew.Tremayne
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You should join an online debate club. :agave:
Above average compared to what? Corollas? 600ss vs. 1000ss. I'd like to see the stats, not what "everyone" thinks. What I think is people in 1000's aren't first year riders. At least I hope not.
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