No kiddies it isn't. Here's a lesson from daddy...I think rapists and child molesters are wrong and would gladly have them killed.
Historical day for Palestinians!
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No kiddies it isn't. Here's a lesson from daddy...I think rapists and child molesters are wrong and would gladly have them killed.
And after world war 2 the map was redrawn in many places. Conquered! Would you like to give Europe back to zee Germans?
awyala
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Sunny has a point. A very "realist" humannist approach....
"Facts on the ground". Why jazz up and idealize what we are? Why strive to be better in the neo-religious-humanist sense? Why strive to attain acceptance from a just God? Naaaaaaaah, anything you can get away with from the perspective of human or social justice is fair game!
Ultimate humanist-realism. The only punishment or justice is our own man made, relative justice. So why lie to ourselves?
Oh and PS...
If you do conquer someone, make sure to wipe them off the face of the Earth so you don't have to deal with their PC whining centuries later. History and society will note them as a footnote, no more, so don't worry. But if you half a$z the job, they might guilt trip you later and inconveniently develop a strain of concious politics to get in the way of your future conquests.
"Boots", er I mean..."Facts on the ground"...that's the humanist / G-dliest way!
Just a small realist point for Sunny though....Jews have typically been unable to devastate their openents due to very very low demographic numbers and have also historically faced genocide in every Western host country they have been in.
"Facts on the ground" as Netanyahu likes to emphasis, may actually turn in favour of the angry horde very shortly. Let's face "facts"...and Jews have some painful facts to consider before they make a new enemy in yet another host region!
"Facts on the ground". Why jazz up and idealize what we are? Why strive to be better in the neo-religious-humanist sense? Why strive to attain acceptance from a just God? Naaaaaaaah, anything you can get away with from the perspective of human or social justice is fair game!
Ultimate humanist-realism. The only punishment or justice is our own man made, relative justice. So why lie to ourselves?
Oh and PS...
If you do conquer someone, make sure to wipe them off the face of the Earth so you don't have to deal with their PC whining centuries later. History and society will note them as a footnote, no more, so don't worry. But if you half a$z the job, they might guilt trip you later and inconveniently develop a strain of concious politics to get in the way of your future conquests.
"Boots", er I mean..."Facts on the ground"...that's the humanist / G-dliest way!
Just a small realist point for Sunny though....Jews have typically been unable to devastate their openents due to very very low demographic numbers and have also historically faced genocide in every Western host country they have been in.
"Facts on the ground" as Netanyahu likes to emphasis, may actually turn in favour of the angry horde very shortly. Let's face "facts"...and Jews have some painful facts to consider before they make a new enemy in yet another host region!
That wasn't the question, obviously. I don't know why you'd even mention child molesters or rapists when the context here is your justification of conquering other peoples by force.
Let's try again, but focus this time: "It's arrogant to think it, but is it not arrogant to kill people for what you think?"
You would have let him have it in the first place. My ancestors were called bandits for resisting the German invaders. Nowadays, they would have been referred to as terrorists and insurgents. Before that, my old country was occupied for half a millennium.. Had my ancestors not been fighting them for all that time until they kicked'em out, my name would have been Hassan. I'm sure the Turks would have had choice names for people resisting their rule.
...but it sure is creating some friction.
What is it with you and immigration? You know your great grand parents were also immigrants, right?
And to let you know, alot of immigrants dump a whole set of $$ in this economy. Do you know how much you have to pay to get citizenship? There are lots of fees and lots of applications, each application costs $$.
Then there are those who bring money here. They bring $$ from their home country to spend in Canada. Ever seen a whole set of immigrants driving around Pacific Mall driving Benz? They sure as hell didn't buy it from their home country. Then there are those who come here to invest and buy houses, how much do u think they spend? Some of my friend's parents put a whole lot of money into Canadian banks.
If you don't know the truth about foreigners, just keep your mouth shut because your argument doesn't make sense.
Then from their standpoint it would make perfectly good sense to reclaim land somewhere in the region their ancestors came from, by force if necessary, seeing as they're so unwelcome everywhere else, wouldn't it.
And your more recent ones were called war criminals for their ethnic cleansing of the Muslims
BTW: isn't Ilija a Hebrew name? אֱלִיָּהוּ
awyala
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They also left that region of their choice! The Jews that remained have always remained. They were Arab Jews, and have always maintained a population in Jerusalem. Other Jews emigrated throughout the then most economically prosperous empire (Muslim / Arab) to as far as Moorish Spain, and trading / economic allies of the Muslim empires like the Venetian Empire.
Do some history on how the diaspora got from Spain to Turkey and Poland for example. Find out how they ended up in England and France and via what routes, over 2000 years, never bothering to return to their "homeland".
The "diaspora" the fled the Romans was not all the Jews, it was a few tribes, while a few remained in the immediate locality (and by that I mean a few hundred kms).
The "right of return" Jews from all over the world are rarely practising, often atheist, genetically not Semetic, and are decedents of those who chose to leave the region and not return for nearly 2000 years. SO what right do they have to the land again....tribal, racial, religious, legal????
Ah that's right, Europe, from east to west persecuted the Jews and dumped the problem on someone else, after (the British) offering them 2 colonies leading up to and around the time of WW1 AKA the Middle East land grab (Uganda which the Jews refused, and Palestine).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Uganda_Programme
Have a look at the following Balfour Decleration and see if that has been honoured. The controversy about this document is that a) It wasn't the British's land to offer, unless conquering newly acquired lands and within months offering them to foreign immigrants is valid. This document wasn't whipped up in a month! and b) it was NOT meant to be an independent Jewish state, rather it was meant to be a British controlled colony that would serve as a Jewish "homeland".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration
The Balfour document was issued on November 1917, and the fall of Baghdad to the British from the Ottomans wasn't even the decisive defeat of the Ottoman empire, but that happened in March of 1917. Britain had the offer on the table well before the region was theirs to offer to anyone! Let along the motives for attacking the Ottoman Empire being invalid in the first place. Ottoman surrender wasn't a whole year after the Balfour deceleration in October of 1918!
Look into how the British began to lose control of Palestine between WW1 and WW2 and you see numerous complaints by the Palestinians to monitor and stop Jewish atrocities as well as numerous accounts of Jewish terrorist groups who stole from and raided British weapons depots to create a terrorist gorilla army. Israel didn't start in 1948 as they would have you believe! But 1948 they claim are "facts on the ground". 1967 recognized UN borders? not so much apparently. They prefer 1948 and today's date as the date to concentrate on to legitimize their land grabs.
Out of curiosity why don't you investigate why the Jews who fled Spain to Turkey (Ottoman Empire by invite) didn't move to the (viewed at the time) back water / open air prison that Palestine was considered by the Ottoman Turks. Why didn't the Jews of the 1500s go back to Israel then? Why stay in financial centres like Istanbul, later to move to Paris (again) and London (again) and Berlin and Antwerp, Geneva, Zurich and the list goes on.
Study Jewish migration patterns and you will see a complex pattern and motivation, which has nothing to do with a "promised land".
PS I dont support the "facts on the ground" ultra realist argument. I was merely being sarcastic and partaking in hyperbole.
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No. People need to be conquered sometimes. Not everyone gets a trophy or ribbon for participating
i know it's hard but I'm getting by. Thanks for your concern but debating with people on the net isn't so bad
just like the French in Canada. Should have slaughtered or assimilated those bastards years ago and we wouldn't be dealing with Quebec crap now. And why is it that the Jews always get crapped on everywhere they go in history? slaves in Egypt etc!
ItIsWhatItIs
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Canada has grown it's population from 20 million in 1980 to 34 million mostly through immigration. The Conservatives have made it easy for foreigners to come to Canada and compete and displace domestic Canadians from employment and employment opportunities. Canada's immigration policy marginalizes domestic Canadians by repressing wages and driving up living costs. Canadians over pay for food, gas, beer, spirits, wine and everything else. This is because Canadians and the foreign workers in the private sector are here to serve the public sector via ridiculous taxes. The only ones who benefit from foreigners in the economy is businesses who drive their wage costs down and public workers who get more tax money to pay themselves incomes and pensions double the private sector.
ashkan
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youre missing the point i think that the neighbor is in his own house not in my house. If your neighbour comes and kicks you out of your house with a gun, does he have the right to stay there and will you just pack up and leave? Remember you are the LEGAL and rightful owner of your house just like Palestinians are LEGALLY the land owners of the pre 1967 borders
awyala
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Sorry, but for the sake clarity could you define a "domestic Canadian"? Is that like a 4th generation immigrant Chinese, Ukrainian, or French or Englishmen?
awyala
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History is the broom of politics my friend. Multiple sources of lies and biases is the only way to "detect" the truth. If one can eliminate alternative historical accounts, one can do anything they wish.
So what are foreigners who pay 2x for tuition, send their kids to school here, spending lots of $ etc?
Your anger is certainly misguided my friend. The gov't aint stupid, they got their cut.
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ItIsWhatItIs
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Pre 1982 generations.
