Helmet Styles

[woot]

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Did any motorcyclists get killed by a flying wheel in Final Destination? Any of the sequels? You need to learn context.

I have never seen any final destination movies. Though the context of your comment was a rebuttal to:

"Riding with no helmet in no way puts others at risk of harm."

So it appeared that you were trying to say that riding without a helmet has an increased risk of putting others at risk of harm. I don't think that the risk to others changes significantly depending on whether or not you have a helmet on.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

So you’re saying you have the exact same chance of staying in control of your bike if you get hit in the head by kicked up road debris as you do if you get hit in the helmet by kicked up road debris. Ok.

 

[ScorpionT16]

So you’re saying you have the exact same chance of staying in control of your bike if you get hit in the head by kicked up road debris as you do if you get hit in the helmet by kicked up road debris. Ok.

Sooo. why not outlaw beanie lids, or anything other than a Snell/ECE Full face, with a fixed shield, always closed for everyone's safety.

Nobody here is saying helmets aren't safer, just that riding motorcycles and everything else in life has risks, and just as people have the choice to smoke or eat cholesterol packed foods, so should those that want to ride how they feel comfortable.

 

[mimico_polak]

They should just remove the helmet law for a period of 5-10 years and look at stats. Insurance expenses will go down as dead bodies are cheaper on the system than injured bodies that need to be cared for.

Id never ride without a helmet, even on my street like my neighbour likes to do. I prefer my brains in one spot.

Turban or beanie, it’s more dangerous than a full face. One is a religious symbol, and the other is an expression of cool. Both will have similar effects in an accident.

My only point is don’t allow for religious exemption. Either let everyone ride without one, or no one.

 

[ScorpionT16]

They should just remove the helmet law for a period of 5-10 years and look at stats. Insurance expenses will go down as dead bodies are cheaper on the system than injured bodies that need to be cared for.

Id never ride without a helmet, even on my street like my neighbour likes to do. I prefer my brains in one spot.

Turban or beanie, it’s more dangerous than a full face. One is a religious symbol, and the other is an expression of cool. Both will have similar effects in an accident.

My only point is don’t allow for religious exemption. Either let everyone ride without one, or no one.

Insurance companies will love it, you are right, dead is cheaper. When I rode down to PA, and saw a bunch of riders sans helmets I was shocked. Thinking what if this, or what if that, etc... However, they all had big smiles, looked free, and lived their lives, riding their own ride. I don't ride without a lid, however I do admire those folks for their courage, and that old school, just live life thought, despite the consequences.

Personally, I'm not one for a nanny state, I think they should let everyone decide

 

[mimico_polak]

I love riding with my lid open, or the modular chin piece up (under 80kph) even though I know it can't be good for that hinge. I have taken plenty of small rocks, insects, bees, to the face and I have a pic somewhere with my eye half shut from the hit (kinda funny).

That small pebble that almost took out my glasses scared me enough to never ride without a helmet.

Equality is equality...not different rules for each demographic.

 

[Dimitri]

Maybe not, but I’d still rather have it and roll the dice.

Not sure how a helmet would help.

 

[FullMotoJacket]

When I rode down to PA, and saw a bunch of riders sans helmets I was shocked. Thinking what if this, or what if that, etc... However, they all had big smiles, looked free, and lived their lives, riding their own ride. I don't ride without a lid, however I do admire those folks for their courage, and that old school, just live life thought, despite the consequences.

That's fine and dandy. I just don't want to hear anyone ******** when they wind up getting themselves all dead, and I don't want to hear any bleating about riding without a helmet is just as safe as riding with one. It's not. Full stop. I tend to associate with people with common sense. Granted, a few of them don't use it 24/7, but I don't know a single one that would be dumb enough to claim otherwise re: helmet vs. no helmet risks.

 

[Mad Mike]

That's fine and dandy. I just don't want to hear anyone ******** when they wind up getting themselves all dead, and I don't want to hear any bleating about riding without a helmet is just as safe as riding with one. It's not. Full stop. I tend to associate with people with common sense. Granted, a few of them don't use it 24/7, but I don't know a single one that would be dumb enough to claim otherwise re: helmet vs. no helmet risks.

I don't think anyone would tell you helmets are safer -- that's not the issue at hand.

The issue is who gets to make personal decisions on the risks you take -- you or the gov't?

Should the bridle your risk taking at Casinos? Stockmarket? Tinder?

 

[mimico_polak]

Insurance companies will love it, you are right, dead is cheaper. When I rode down to PA, and saw a bunch of riders sans helmets I was shocked. Thinking what if this, or what if that, etc... However, they all had big smiles, looked free, and lived their lives, riding their own ride. I don't ride without a lid, however I do admire those folks for their courage, and that old school, just live life thought, despite the consequences.

Personally, I'm not one for a nanny state, I think they should let everyone decide

You just couldn’t see the guys smiling underneath their helmets. Smiles all around....just some had bugs in their teeth!

 

[Evoex]

Not sure how a helmet would help.

if it's not hurting, it's helping.

 

[Dufflite]

I don't think anyone would tell you helmets are safer -- that's not the issue at hand.

The issue is who gets to make personal decisions on the risks you take -- you or the gov't?

Should the bridle your risk taking at Casinos? Stockmarket? Tinder?

I don't think anyone would tell you helmets are safer -- that's not the issue at hand.

The issue is who gets to make personal decisions on the risks you take -- you or the gov't?

Should the bridle your risk taking at Casinos? Stockmarket? Tinder?

So long as they waive their government funded healthcare when they make those decisions right ?

 

[Roadghost]

I love riding with my lid open, or the modular chin piece up (under 80kph) even though I know it can't be good for that hinge. I have taken plenty of small rocks, insects, bees, to the face and I have a pic somewhere with my eye half shut from the hit (kinda funny).

That small pebble that almost took out my glasses scared me enough to never ride without a helmet.

Equality is equality...not different rules for each demographic.

Been riding with a half helmet for years. I've rarely been hit by things, and even more rarely in the face or the head. Never flinched. If you're trying to say a full face helmet is safer all-round though, I disagree. They're harder to see out of, the chin bar gets in the way when you're trying to see your blind spot and I've never seen guys ride faster than when they're wearing one because they make 160km/h feel very comfortable. In an impact they afford more protection but if you're worried about things flying around in hitting you in the head, that can happen with or without a helmet. In fact, if it's what really worries you then get an Electra Glide with the 2' high fairing that will stop anything.

Flying stuff can't be that big an issue because most guys here have no fairing, or a pitiful little piece of decorative plastic on their sport bikes that gives them the GP paisano look.

 

[woot]

So long as they waive their government funded healthcare when they make those decisions right ?

do you plan on waiving your healthcare because you choose to take the risk of riding a motorcycle when you could be safely in a car?

 

[Dufflite]

do you plan on waiving your healthcare because you choose to take the risk of riding a motorcycle when you could be safely in a car?

Honestly can’t tell if you’re trolling, but I’ll bite.

Not really comparable. can’t put a valid mode of transportation and recreation, costed out by some of the highest insurance premiums in the world, in the same bracket as as what I can only assume is a fraction of a minority of riders that view being told to wear a helmet as a personal attack on their freedoms.

As it stands, government says you can ride a motorcycle and you must wear a helmet, which I do. Zero reason to remotely think about waiving healthcare

if someone wants to take a stand and claim the government should get out of their kitchen and not force them to wear a helmet, okay, but don’t look to the government to bail them out when they need it.

I’m sure this was beat to death when seatbelt laws came in, bit before my time and don’t really see a need to go further down the rabbit hole.

 

[woot]

Honestly can’t tell if you’re trolling, but I’ll bite.

Not really comparable. can’t put a valid mode of transportation and recreation, costed out by some of the highest insurance premiums in the world, in the same bracket as as what I can only assume is a fraction of a minority of riders that view being told to wear a helmet as a personal attack on their freedoms.

As it stands, government says you can ride a motorcycle and you must wear a helmet, which I do. Zero reason to remotely think about waiving healthcare

if someone wants to take a stand and claim the government should get out of their kitchen and not force them to wear a helmet, okay, but don’t look to the government to bail them out when they need it.

I’m sure this was beat to death when seatbelt laws came in, bit before my time and don’t really see a need to go further down the rabbit hole.

Really not trolling. Some people (not likely any on this forum) would disagree with you that a motorcycle is a valid mode of transportation.

The government provides healthcare to people doing much riskier things. My wife works in the ICU and one of the most frustrating things are people who repeatedly try to commit suicide / OD but the family keeps wanting every resource possible thrown to keep them alive. Should someone who is actively trying to end their own life be provided healthcare but not someone who is taking an unnecessary risk?

What about someone who makes the choice to rob a store and gets shot by the police? That to me sounds riskier then riding without a helmet.

To be clear I wear a helmet. A full face today. I have no intension of ever not wearing a helmet. I disagree with the government waiving healthcare based on risky behavior.

Also, if you get in a car accident and are not wearing a seatbelt it does not waive your right to healthcare.

 

[Mad Mike]

So long as they waive their government funded healthcare when they make those decisions right ?

Gov't healthcare is cheaper for un-helmeted riders, helmetless riding also promotes a stronger fitter population. Darwin's Law.

 

[Mad Mike]

Honestly can’t tell if you’re trolling, but I’ll bite.

Not really comparable. can’t put a valid mode of transportation and recreation, costed out by some of the highest insurance premiums in the world, in the same bracket as as what I can only assume is a fraction of a minority of riders that view being told to wear a helmet as a personal attack on their freedoms.

As it stands, government says you can ride a motorcycle and you must wear a helmet, which I do. Zero reason to remotely think about waiving healthcare

if someone wants to take a stand and claim the government should get out of their kitchen and not force them to wear a helmet, okay, but don’t look to the government to bail them out when they need it.

I’m sure this was beat to death when seatbelt laws came in, bit before my time and don’t really see a need to go further down the rabbit hole.

I see the seatbelt law as a different, I support it. There is real evidence that the survival rates and rehabilitative costs for crashes in cars are much higher for seatbeltless occupants, and lower for helmetless riders - there is no way to refute the stats on either. Another issue with cars is multiple occupants, particularly kids - tumbling 4 unbelted people around inside a cage makes areal mess.

Sadly this difference is due to fatality rate differences.

 

[ScorpionT16]

Honestly can’t tell if you’re trolling, but I’ll bite.

Not really comparable. can’t put a valid mode of transportation and recreation, costed out by some of the highest insurance premiums in the world, in the same bracket as as what I can only assume is a fraction of a minority of riders that view being told to wear a helmet as a personal attack on their freedoms.

As it stands, government says you can ride a motorcycle and you must wear a helmet, which I do. Zero reason to remotely think about waiving healthcare

if someone wants to take a stand and claim the government should get out of their kitchen and not force them to wear a helmet, okay, but don’t look to the government to bail them out when they need it.

I’m sure this was beat to death when seatbelt laws came in, bit before my time and don’t really see a need to go further down the rabbit hole.

You act as though people not wearing a helmet also don't pay taxes and their dues, which is where the health care system gets it's funding. You can always move to the US where you choose what coverage you want, and not worry. Over here, it's equal entitlement based on that pool. What about making neck braces mandatory then, and knee braces, because those show to significantly reduce risk too... Again, same with not smoking, poor diet etc, which if you want to play the statistics game, are higher up than the 0.00001% not wearing a helmet atm.

The principle of life and risk vs reward for individuals is what equates to choice. I know people who rock climb, and do other high risk activities, which are purely recreational, they get the same entitlement we do.

 

[Maniac]

Are we really having a discussion in 2021 that helmets are good for safety?

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