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You didn't answer the question. What makes you question the safety of carbon fiber?
I didn't "question the safety"....i asked if other than weight, there was any advantages to carbon fiber regarding safety and Wingboy answered with an interesting bit of info about the stiffness.

The Star is not "precious" :rolleyes: ....it would remain safe to wear...I noted what I didn't like at the time and yes I'm wearing current helmets with some desirable features ......none of which were even envisioned 50 years ago.
The next purchase when I get home to Aus will likely be my last helmet as my riding career winds down.
Mind you .....he is inspiring
 
My newest helmet. I'll try it on my next ride. AGV tourmod. It has a bit of everything.
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Nice! I've been eyeing this one:

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The agv is very comfortable. I bought it for B, but she likes my Arai better (lighter) the AGV fits me tho. My Klim is just about done after 2 years. I'm not impressed with the build quality.
 
I didn't "question the safety"....i asked if other than weight, there was any advantages to carbon fiber regarding safety...

No, you didn't ask that. You were clearly unsure of the safety. If you're confused or can't recall, that's okay, I'm happy to help you out; I have your comment right here. Thanks goodness for that handy quote button! You should try it one day!

Carbon fiber is a real improvement for weight ...not sure about safety.
 
No, you didn't ask that. You were clearly unsure of the safety. If you're confused or can't recall, that's okay, I'm happy to help you out; I have your comment right here. Thanks goodness for that handy quote button! You should try it one day!
Don't be a dick...
 
No, you didn't ask that. You were clearly unsure of the safety. If you're confused or can't recall, that's okay, I'm happy to help you out; I have your comment right here. Thanks goodness for that handy quote button! You should try it one day!
It is all about context, having actually read the thread and his comments and not taking one posting out of that context that is not what I am getting from the post...

MacDoc said:
Carbon fiber is a real improvement for weight ...not sure about safety

ie improves weight... not sure--it improves--safety......does not mean it is less safe. That is what I get in context.

I feel for @MacDoc in this thread, might as well be a COVID thread with a bunch of lol "anti-EPS" (instead of anti-vaxxers) people talking about there "opinions" with no science when he is posting science and info to back it up....
 
Regardless of the science. The bottom line for me is... When given the option of an old piece of protective equipment versus a new one, the new one will always win.
 
Rachet straps are weaker, but more convenient than D rings, but the force required would likely have removed your head. Shoei claims in their faq that their micro rachet is just as strong. FAQ - Shoei® Helmets North America I did see a test on YouTube at some point that showed the breaking points. Also, there's much more to helmets than EPS or they'd all easily pass the safety rating system with the same score.
I'm looking at ECE 22.06 modular helmets now and they never ever mention the two pins that are sometimes situated right at your temples that allow the front to pivot.

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I'm looking at ECE 22.06 modular helmets now and they never ever mention the two pins that are sometimes situated right at your temples that allow the front to pivot.
Wouldn't that be part of the side impact tests ?
 
You checked all 3 pages? Any one I clicked on had plenty of sizes and not the usual XS and XXL left in stock. Their SE5 composite is on for a good deal too. Regular 6 something for $259. Slightly heavier than carbon model obviously, but same helmet otherwise.

Tempted to get this one even though I've already got a Fly Carbon in my basement as my spare lid that I've only worn twice.
 

Tempted to get this one even though I've already got a Fly Carbon in my basement as my spare lid that I've only worn twice.
(y) That's the one I picked as a spare to the carbon fiber one. They arrive tomorrrow. Surprised prices are in CAD and they have so much inventory at a Canadian warehouse. Most of these companies only have American distribution on their website and you get hit with the expensive shipping and duties. Shipped from Kamloops. Hard to say no.
 
There are sales on page 2 as well. Also good deals on their mountain bike helmets.
I have a troy lee stage mips in case I want to do something stupid on a bicycle. Full face on a bicycle feels weird but if I ever crash it, I am sure I will appreciate the bar. Since people are arguing about clasps, it has a strange magnetic clasp that takes a few minutes to get used to but then allows one hand opening with very very low chance of accidental release.
 
No you didn't. That's a Bell Star Classic, a contemporary helmet based on the original Bell Star, and intended specifically for vintage auto racing.

You may have had something like this:

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And any sensible person would not wear such a lid fifty years later.

Looks like a brand new Biltwell.
 
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Regardless of the science. The bottom line for me is... When given the option of an old piece of protective equipment versus a new one, the new one will always win.

I think everyone would agree with that statement as written. It's the economics that come into play. At 5 years, I wouldn't need much convincing to shelve a $300 helmet, but I'd need an iron clad argument to do the same with a $1000 Arai if all it needed was a new liner.
 
I think everyone would agree with that statement as written. It's the economics that come into play. At 5 years, I wouldn't need much convincing to shelve a $300 helmet, but I'd need an iron clad argument to do the same with a $1000 Arai if all it needed was a new liner.

The style of helmet also plays a factor in absolute safety/protection and is a large factor (and it is not the only factor of course). As a common example for discussion, modular helmets are popular these days and they offer a lot of great features but try and find one that is Snell certified (few and far between, if any these days)??? There is a reason, they do not provide the same required level of face and chin protection as a full face (and roughly 1/3 of head injuries are face/chin) in their testing with the chin bar down--even worse chin bar up obviously (lots of data on all this BTW, it is science based not opinion)--even vs older Snell standards. They are a compromise vs full face all else being equal, absolute safety vs features and comfort--a personal decision. Of course open face and buckets are even worse in this context, no helmet worse yet.

Where am I going with this... In the end many of us (maybe most) are making a compromised decision based on economics, comfort, fashion, features, peer pressure, etc. Applying risk management (well or poorly) even if they may or may not know what risk management is, people still do it. Same with riding in jeans vs leathers, etc. The "safety first, must be new, must be latest tech, latest materials, $200 helmet for a $200 head, etc. etc." crowd that always comes out in these threads all sounds great but really should only be said by the ATGATT crowd that only use the latest Snell full face helmets while track riding solo on their speed limited Vespa, otherwise it is glass houses... Even then it does not provide any definitive answer on helmet age, sorry about that but for personal context...

I am a full face guy today but would be open to a modular in the future for my next helmet when mine is done. I also ride in jeans but also leathers but not ATGATT. But I also understand my properly fitting, more than 5 year old, Snell, un-crashed, not abused, not dropped, no damage, well taken care of, properly stored, properly cleaned, full face will offer at least equal protection than buying a spanking new modular helmet (based on science and testing) and still way better than the lesser options--open face....but maybe not as good as a new topnotch full face. At some point, condition, fit, etc. will push me to the next one, as did my other retired helmets did, whatever that is. No one should be riding in a poorly fitted or damaged helmet, goes without saying, or does it? But in summary new may be better same to same unless new is less than equal... is a modular dangerous, no, is it as good as a full face, also no.

We all have a risk inclusive hobby and we all have decisions on many fronts to make.
 
The style of helmet also plays a factor in absolute safety/protection and is a large factor (and it is not the only factor of course). As a common example for discussion, modular helmets are popular these days and they offer a lot of great features but try and find one that is Snell certified (few and far between, if any these days)???
ECE 22.06 tests modular helmets, including the chin bar in both open and closed positions.
 

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