Lol.. Maybe it was to keep it nice and tight? :lol:
Guys, Please. Stay away from me.
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Lol.. Maybe it was to keep it nice and tight? :lol:
alaywa
Banned
Added point....we learn to guard lanes for this very reason....because lane sharing happens and is something we should be prepared for! To think you're above it or it magically wont happen is reckless and naive!
You can only guard so much. They say don't ride in the centre of 3 lanes, cause you can't guard the whole lane, and even if you are in a fully guarded position, and a car nudges you, that's why you have the room....it's extra, a buffer, but not always a given!
And for the record I have actually been physically bumped and nudged in traffic a couple of times.....it isn't that big a deal actually. A car at matching speed bumping you over (accidently of course) is approaching with relatively slow speeds (laterally) and even if bumped you will be moved over (if you don't panic and over react!!!!).
It has happened to me and not anywhere near as bad as it seems. My bar ends scratched up her mirror pretty good, she scratched up my bar end and my knee pucky touched her door a little. She nudged me over a bit and noticed her mistake, I waved my hands to her to indicate her stupidity and that was it, we kept driving at 60kph.
Part of the problem of most riders is OVER REACTION or complete lack of reaction cause they were day dreaming!
The reality is you must expect to have your lane shared and you must be able to cope with it, rather than steam up you helmets in rage.
It happens in safe situations, which is noooooooooooo problem, and it happens in unsafe situations, which we of course don't want, but must be ready to handle.
And guys, let's be real....the road conditions are not soooooooo bad you need to swing completely over to the other side of the lane.....do you even know how wide a lane is?!?!?!
All this foot signalling when group riding for slightly bumpy man holes is absurd! I minor weave and you're good. This drama is over kill.
You're entitled to it, but the issue we're talking about is do you *mind* if another *motorcycle* shares it with you at a stop light.
I don't. You do. :dontknow:
Don't see what squeezing a car in beside you at a stoplight has anything to do with this.
Awe Sundie..... well if it wasnt cooler out I would have still be squid..... I'll remember next time!
This ***** dont need to be told twice
Perfect. So based on your say-so, is it fair for me to now presume that all other riders must also resign themselves to be ok with it, just as you insist that they should be ok with another motorcycle coming up alongside uninvited into their lane? If it is not ok for me to presume that, then who are you or anyone else to tell others that they are wrong to not want to share a lane with another vehicle, motorcycle or not?
Same thing can be said to the OP... Who is he to demand that others do not do it, etc, etc...
Legally speaking, it's his lane and he is entitled to all of it. If he wants to share it he can issue an invite. Why would anyone here presume to take that space just because they think there is enough room to do so? That "enough room to do so" excuse can be applied equally to ANY kind of vehicle and vehicle operator.
alaywa
Banned
+1
I state earlier I am more aware of such riders now....so I am taking account of the more nervous types. What I object to is the OP's poor attitude and self reighteousness.
I do not speak for all riders, but merely offer an alternative to tame the OP's aggression.
But if you see me, feel aaaaaaaabsolutely free to pull up at a light in a bike, push bike, scooter, e-bike, car, convertable car, horse, and Harley Edition pick up, if there is room, in safety. Whether you want to chat, rip off the line, or ignore me, ask how many ccs I have, or node in approval.
Feeeeeeeeeel free.
I may have my earphones on though and may be limited to vague general gestures. My apologies in advance.
alaywa
Banned
If you move over too far in your lane it can be construed as an invitation. Hence why cyclists are told to lane block along with bikers. It is also legal in the HTA for cars to share with a more vulnerable, slower, uninviting bicycle at the trailing (advancing from behind) CAR's discretion! In fact it is the obligation of the slower vehicle to turn out to the right of the lane. Only if you can match traffic flow are you allowed to block!
Between bikers, who are not dual track vehicles this is a rather uptight point to cling to.
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Legality was not a part of the OP's argument. He simply stated that he didn't want anyone do that to him.
Because lots of other people don't mind it. That's what this discussion is all about.
But others DO mind and do object. Don't their wishes, together with their legal right to use the entire lane, matter in the least?
When another motorcycle IMPOSES their presence in the lane already legally occupied by the first motorcycle, they are no different than a car who manages to fit into "available space". It's not invited and not wanted. Why should this even be a matter of discussion?
If they don't mind it, they have the freedom and the option to motion you to come up alongside. In absence of an invite, people should respect another's lane space regardless of what they are operating.
First of all, a car pulling up next to a motorcycle is not quite the same thing.
Second, nobody expects the two motorcycles to keep riding side by side. The situation of lane sharing is temporary, limited to the duration of the red light. I doubt that this is a situation that a lot of people would describe as invasive or disrespectful. I guess that in most cases the perception of this would match the individual preference, i.e. those who don't mind when others pull up to them wouldn't see this as unpleasant in general (and the other way around).
The problem with extending an invitation is that those for whom this behaviour is natural, wouldn't think that there is a need for such an invitation, and those who prefer to be alone in the lane simply wouldn't offer it. In either case you end up with no activity on behalf of the first peron in the lane.
In the absence of any unsafe behaviour, this is akin to a social risk. When you start a conversation with a stranger, you risk that the other person would prefer not to be disturbed. You may even argue that they are legally entitled to be left in peace, but not ever starting talking to other people may lead to a less enjoyable life...
alaywa
Banned
The issue of safety is the key here, not the invitation. If you can't manage to block the entire lane, and another vehicle safely shares your lane, at a stopped light you actually have no right to object (legally), and you'll have to suck it up ACTUALLY.
Sharing a lane, providing there is room and it is safe is legal, and allowed, though uncommon. Get used to it, rather than flip out on a false premise.
Secondly, how do you feel about people parking across 2 parkind spaces? Maybe they just like their personal space. I can't get mad at those people, they didn't take up a handicapped spot and they got their first and they managed to block 2 spaces.
To each their own. If a rider or car parker manages to effectively block his lane or indicate he is nervous or unable to cope with me next to him, I'll respect that and back off (as a request).
But if they are hostile or think they can knock over my bike, when what I am doing is legal and safe (uninvited or not), expect hostility back.
I'm pretty casual either way, and able to handle either situation. Ever see those dudes that park their precious car at the far end of the parking lot and take 2 spaces? There is a dude who appreciates a good balance. He doesn't have such a hang up, such that he takes 2 spots near the front door....he appreciates he needs more space and keeps to locations where more space and antisocial behavior is more the norm.
By all means, if you need space and love hating on people....well I'm sure Sudbury or Timmins might be the place for you.
But if you're gonna ride in increasingly congested Toronto, and sharing a lane (when safe) is legal, well get used to it......or get a big F off (bumper / fender) sticker.
Or maybe hitch balls for your bike....dangle a pair of those from your plate and I'm sure no one will ride up on you.
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Fine, as long as he doesn't PRESUME to make the decision for anyone else.
It's possible to handle these situations with dignity.
Girl (with full jacket and boots but cotton shorts - commit one way or the other, eh!). Anyway, girl on a kawasaki filtered up next to me on Gerrard today. The light changed just as she got there. She started riding next to me, so I simply backed off and let her go ahead. No fuss, no problems, just normal public courtesy...
Girl (with full jacket and boots but cotton shorts - commit one way or the other, eh!). Anyway, girl on a kawasaki filtered up next to me on Gerrard today. The light changed just as she got there. She started riding next to me, so I simply backed off and let her go ahead. No fuss, no problems, just normal public courtesy...
alaywa
Banned
No fuss because your inborn legitimate rage was nuetralized by your rear scoping arrousal?
I suppose it is possible that I might have been less forgiving of some grizzly beard on a tricked out HD... (grin)
Holmes
Well-known member
The issue of safety is the key here, not the invitation. If you can't manage to block the entire lane, and another vehicle safely shares your lane, at a stopped light you actually have no right to object (legally), and you'll have to suck it up ACTUALLY.
Sharing a lane, providing there is room and it is safe is legal, and allowed, though uncommon. Get used to it, rather than flip out on a false premise.
Secondly, how do you feel about people parking across 2 parkind spaces? Maybe they just like their personal space. I can't get mad at those people, they didn't take up a handicapped spot and they got their first and they managed to block 2 spaces.
To each their own. If a rider or car parker manages to effectively block his lane or indicate he is nervous or unable to cope with me next to him, I'll respect that and back off (as a request).
But if they are hostile or think they can knock over my bike, when what I am doing is legal and safe (uninvited or not), expect hostility back.
I'm pretty casual either way, and able to handle either situation. Ever see those dudes that park their precious car at the far end of the parking lot and take 2 spaces? There is a dude who appreciates a good balance. He doesn't have such a hang up, such that he takes 2 spots near the front door....he appreciates he needs more space and keeps to locations where more space and antisocial behavior is more the norm.
By all means, if you need space and love hating on people....well I'm sure Sudbury or Timmins might be the place for you.
But if you're gonna ride in increasingly congested Toronto, and sharing a lane (when safe) is legal, well get used to it......or get a big F off (bumper / fender) sticker.
Or maybe hitch balls for your bike....dangle a pair of those from your plate and I'm sure no one will ride up on you.
his would be blue
Sorry, what I meant was that this argument can be applied to anyone, so it doesn't add anything to the discussion. I don't feel that way about either the OP, nor anyone else in this thread.
