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Good place for a 14yr old to work?

I think I was 12 when I started working in construction. Not many women in the field though. Little brother had a paper route.
 
PrivatePilot said:
So many of the younger generation want to sit at home now and click buttons on the job-finder websites, firing off an email or whatever, and then expect the jobs to come to them.

Problem is their resume gets processed by a computer somewhere for keywords, sorted, and the employers are only fed the best ones
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Many employers have bought into this system, transforming their application process into a competition not for the job, but rather one on tricking their AI into moving your resume to the top of the pile.
Most if not all the positions my oldest is interested in work this way.
You can't get 'hold of a person in HR even if you wanted to.
 
Hack said:
Many employers have bought into this system, transforming their application process into a competition not for the job, but rather one on tricking their AI into moving your resume to the top of the pile.
Most if not all the positions my oldest is interested in work this way.
You can't get 'hold of a person in HR even if you wanted to.
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I don’t disagree, but I was referring to smaller businesses and such. I can think of 20-30 places in walking distance of my house that would take a walk-in paper resume still.

But yes, even a lot of fast food places and other more chain/corporate places only do online applications anymore. It’s a ****** choice imho as keywords and such can be faked to make a person who is a complete maladjusted tool come to the top of the pack and get a job offer because he/she knows how to game the system versus a motivated kid who might be far better or more personable but isn’t savvy in that way.
 
I can tell you I get "canned" resumes constantly in my inbox.

The ones who are willing to walk in, and hand me their resume that have far far better odds of getting chosen over the email rez every time. History proves they also turn out to be the better employees.

Also, Parents, PLEASE, train your kids to grow some guts, and approach the employer themselves, not get their mom or dad call and try to get a job for their kids. Horrible.
 
SunnY S said:
I can tell you I get "canned" resumes constantly in my inbox.

The ones who are willing to walk in, and hand me their resume that have far far better odds of getting chosen over the email rez every time. History proves they also turn out to be the better employees.

Also, Parents, PLEASE, train your kids to grow some guts, and approach the employer themselves, not get their mom or dad call and try to get a job for their kids. Horrible.
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So you’re telling me the boomer advice of ‘go in, firm handshake, and hand in your resume directly’ still works?

I hate applying for jobs. Hate it with a passion. So good to see there’s some humanity left in the HR process.
 
mimico_polak said:
So you’re telling me the boomer advice of ‘go in, firm handshake, and hand in your resume directly’ still works?

I hate applying for jobs. Hate it with a passion. So good to see there’s some humanity left in the HR process.
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The smaller the company, the better this works. You need to pay to play to try the same thing in a big company. Golf tournaments and such to try to bump into the right people.
 
mimico_polak said:
So you’re telling me the boomer advice of ‘go in, firm handshake, and hand in your resume directly’ still works?
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Yes.

My 24 year old son would have fought you tooth and nail to the contrary a year ago until after months of pushing the “apply to job” button on Indeed and not getting any calls back, he realized it wasn’t the be-all-end-all. And he started calling places which yielded his current job in the trades.

It’s unfortunate that like I said a lot of places simply won’t even allow this anymore, they just tell you to go home and apply online or go to their website and fill out an application which then just becomes another email in somebody’s inbox.

For a brief period of time in my younger days I managed a fast food location and always favored people who made the effort to come in and introduce themselves versus just blindly mailed a résumé, or dropped it through the mail slot in the middle of the night. You can tell a lot about someone in even that 20-30 second interaction.
 
mimico_polak said:
So you’re telling me the boomer advice of ‘go in, firm handshake, and hand in your resume directly’ still works?
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Imagine you are hiring someone to work for you. You want to make sure that person is someone you can trust, that exudes professionalism, that you can get along with day-to-day, that is not going to cause friction with your other employees. These are all qualities that come through in a face-to-face meeting. or rather, it becomes quickly apparent that the candidate *DOESN'T* have these skills in a face-to-face.

If you are hiring someone to work for you, why would you trust a computer algorithm to weed out these superior candidates?
 
Lightcycle said:
If you are hiring someone to work for you, why would you trust a computer algorithm to weed out these superior candidates
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Because “AI” (which doesn’t exist, that’s another story) is supposed to know better.

And frankly, a lot of bosses are just lazy now and want to be spoon fed “perfect candidates” (so they think, anyways) versus putting in the effort to do interviews and weed things out that way.

That, or it’s a McJob and all you are to the company is a number in a payroll system with a pulse with a crayon.
 
mimico_polak said:
So you’re telling me the boomer advice of ‘go in, firm handshake, and hand in your resume directly’ still works?
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100 percent. Perhaps not at a large corp where there are many layers, but for most small and med businesses, I'd say yes.

many many people underestimate the power of presence. seeing and talking to real people and leaving a good impression.

Just the fact that a person is willing to take the effort to drive out, introduce themselves, state their intentions, is a HUGE step (not a guarantee) in getting a job. When reviewing multiple resumes, I can tell you which one will stick in my head the most when choosing a candidate.
 
I think the entire online application process started as a result of too many people showing up to drop off resumes and ask for interviews (Going back many years of course). Now the system has changed entirely and what was once thought as a good idea (have them apply online) has now turned into a 10 minute break from World of Warcraft with expectations that a job is inbound and a negative attitude towards employers in general if nothing pans out. I certainly would respect anyone willing to put in a little extra effort to work for a company they were interested in.
 
Jampy00 said:
I think the entire online application process started as a result of too many people showing up to drop off resumes and ask for interviews (Going back many years of course). Now the system has changed entirely and what was once thought as a good idea (have them apply online) has now turned into a 10 minute break from World of Warcraft with expectations that a job is inbound and a negative attitude towards employers in general if nothing pans out. I certainly would respect anyone willing to put in a little extra effort to work for a company they were interested in.
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The more personalized the cover letter is, the higher I rank the candidate as well. It's not that hard to figure out the players and what the company does. If someone sends me something decent, I will reply. If they send me crap (eg. I want a job doing something that your company does not do), they don't warrant a few seconds of my time to reply.
 
GreyGhost said:
The more personalized the cover letter is, the higher I rank the candidate as well. It's not that hard to figure out the players and what the company does. If someone sends me something decent, I will reply. If they send me crap (eg. I want a job doing something that your company does not do), they don't warrant a few seconds of my time to reply.
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I agree. To be fair, I don't expect much. A bit of effort goes a long way when competing against the generics.
 
Yep. I haven't hunted for a job in coming up on 20 years (ugh, I can't believe I've been with my current employer that long) but when I was, each cover letter had the companies name on it at least to let them know I made the effort.

I knew the target companies I *wanted* to work for and spent the bit of time making the changes to customized them.
 
PrivatePilot said:
Yep. I haven't hunted for a job in coming up on 20 years (ugh, I can't believe I've been with my current employer that long) but when I was, each cover letter had the companies name on it at least to let them know I made the effort.

I knew the target companies I *wanted* to work for and spent the bit of time making the changes to customized them.
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Funny enough I have actually seen some listings that refuse cover letters. I guess it messes up the algorithms...
 
Jampy00 said:
Funny enough I have actually seen some listings that refuse cover letters
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Yep. The HR process is increasingly ****** up. Companies want quick and fast, and are surprised when the results come back dirty.

The never ending commercials from the head hunter companies and such that promise "the perfect candidate is only a click away!" are sucking companies into believing it's that easy, while missing the actual perfect candidates because they're too lazy to line up 10 or 20 people and spend a day interviewing.
 
I’ve had my first sample of interviewing people for a role. Took a bit of a backseat because it was a first for me (even though I’ll be the direct manager) and it was eye opening to say the least.

HR does the first pass. List of candidates shows up, gets reviewed by senior managers, and the HR list gets split into yay or nay category.

Interesting to say the least.
 
Lots of socially maladjusted young people?

As was touched on earlier I hear it's an increasing problem. Too many hours playing video games in a dark basement yelling into a headset, and not enough time actually dealing with real human beings and all the required social cues.
 
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