I don't know what is a "service handgun" but at 25' I had a grouping the size of a cantelope. Pretty good, consider I am a novice.
FYI it was a glock
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I don't know what is a "service handgun" but at 25' I had a grouping the size of a cantelope. Pretty good, consider I am a novice.
FYI it was a glock
This is also incorrect.
The thief did steal some flowers earlier. He had come back to the store later to steal more plants and is seen on video attempting to steal a potted plant when the store owner and two employees give chase.
a service handgun with a 4" to 5" barrel is hardly a sniper rifle, i'm sure you'll agree
At 8 yards, I'd be surprised if you couldn't. I can get a 12" group with my Glock at 25 yards. But that's under relaxed range conditions.
Try it under a conflict situation with your adrenalin up, heavy breathing, etc.
My point being that I doubt the cops were going for a head shot. I believe the SOP is to go for center of mass. Like I said: the head shot was probably a fluke. In IPSC, i'll get head shots too, even though I'm aiming for center of mass
Fair enough
suprPHREAK
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Ah, I was under the impression that the time between arrest and police handling was also an issue. Was there a delay in their response as well, do you know? Just trying to reconcile stories.
I am aware, but even still, be prepared to articulate your concern in court to justify your actions. Odds are almost certain that when a killing for any reason occurs, you will be charged, and have to explain yourself in court (would not likely be arrested, though). The police, and courts, would want to follow up and thoroughly investigate all such actions in order to ensure that justice is served, both to home owner, and the attempted thief.
I do agree that if a gun is seen, then it is reasonable to say it was intended to be used on you. What I mean to say, is that if the thief has no weapons except his hands, and has not made any direct threat to you or whoever else in the dwelling house, then why kill him? The simple fact that this person is inside your house is not reasonable justification for deadly force, or even to cause him grievous harm.
Do I agree that the laws are perhaps a bit harsh on the person defending their dwelling? Perhaps in certain circumstance, but not when deadly force is involved, and here is why:
http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=161938&catid=57
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/PREGNANT+WIFE+MISTAKEN+FOR+INTRUDER,+SHOT.-a083970985
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...covering-after-husband-mistakenly-1528653.php
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1995-08-12/news/1995224046_1_griffin-called-intruder-weinhold
All killings, for even justified reasons, must be investigated and reviewed, so that we do not create a world where we can give home owners the ability to shoot first, ask questions later.
What point should I wait until before detemining the intruder is a threat? Should I ask them? Be polite when I do? Should I reason with the intruder about why I don't agree with him being in my house, but let them know it's okay to be there as long as they don't intend to hurt me or my family...
Being inside someone's house uninvited is a threat! I'd rather reason with the jury afterwards...
A threat to your property perhaps, a threat to your safety, not necessarily. That threshold would be breached if the intruder sees any of the occupants and directs any action towards them, other than talking.
If a drunk guy stumbles into your home, sees you and then asks where Joe is, then shooting him would be murder. If a drunk guy stumbles into your home, sees you and then walks up to you thinking you're Joe, then shooting him would be self-defense IMO.
And defending your property with lethal force is not about justice, it's about catharsis. So if it lands you in jail then so much the better IMO.
If a drunk guy stumbled into my house.... and was determined enough to go through the dog(s) greeting him (with teeth) at the door... and is not swayed to turn around verbally in the time it takes to desend the stairs... until the point I can see him.... then I'd say he was a threat.
Justice has nothing to do with it, at that moment.
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I think u are getting carried away with the extreme here.
When someone has broken into your home (smashed thru doors/windows). Their rights end there.
If for some odd reason u wake up in the middle of the night and hear things shifting around. What would be your reaction? How would u find out if he is friendly? Do u go say HI and introduce yourself?
suprPHREAK
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Did you even see the news stories I posted? Can you reason with your conscience after intentionally killing someone you know, like a family member who is trying to sneak into the house so as not to disturb others?
It isnt about waiting for the threat, its about taking all necessary action for your safety before resorting to deadly force.
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suprPHREAK
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A noisy breaking, yes you may have some leeway to your action, because a violent act preceeded contact. If you just happend upon an intruder (and I have woken up to hear movement downstairs, just a family member it turns out), arm yourself, then take appropriate action. Generally speaking, if they are downstairs, and you are upstairs, they have shown no threat to your person. Your best action is to stay upstairs and defend it, and call police.
My dog(s) will remove any uncertainty before I or anyone else, gets there.
None of my family members are going to sneak into my house, you won't get a second step onto my property without a dog going off...
Where ever that family member decides to enter the house, there will be a dog there to greet them... still going...
If that family member is does not live here, then they will be chewed on the same as a stranger...
None of my family members are going to sneak into my house, you won't get a second step onto my property without a dog going off...
Where ever that family member decides to enter the house, there will be a dog there to greet them... still going...
If that family member is does not live here, then they will be chewed on the same as a stranger...
And you will be charged with assault or murder according to the damage from the dog's actions.
As you said, you're not interested in justice. But you will be subjected to justice by the force of law.
Of course, I'd offer him tea and crumpets. It's either that or shoot him to death, right?
So when your dog is chowing down on the throat of some potential disoriented trespasser, you figure the greatest risk is to... your family. Is that what you're saying?
Trespasser.... intruder.... big difference.
If the "chomping" is happening right outside mine or another family member's bedroom door.... then yes.
My dogs aren't going to kill anyone, probably couldn't cause any real damage... A foot high and 35 lbs.... but can be very aggresive.... The dogs are not meant to defend.... just warn.... I would like them to bark and run... but I know they wouldn't.
OpenGambit
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Your dog can tell the difference between a trespasser and a intruder? amazing.
Is entering someone ele's locked home uninvited... trespassing?
Apparently better than some lawyers.
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