Scob
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If charges are laid against Ghomeshi and he is convicted and winds up in jail, he may get to experience the other side of his enthusiasm for "rough play". No doubt his new bestest buddies will ensure everything is consensual.
Ghomeshigate
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AL3RT
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Ok. So the dude is in S&M, so what's the big deal? He chokes and slaps her a few times. She plays along. He then demands the head. She plays along. He closes with an intercourse. She plays along.
After all is done, he puts on his "nice" guy hat and, perhaps, offers her a fat-free yogurt from his fridge and a sleep over. Yet again, she plays along.
She leaves in the morning and doesn't call the cops.
Sounds like both parties had a good time.
Definetely no rape or assault here.
Why does she all of a sudden decides to come forward now?
a. Money
b. Fame
c. Jealousy
d. All of the above
I bet if the guy was nobody, this wouldn't even make the news.
Boots
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This sounds a lot like the plot to every backroom casting video....
Well said.
It appears that the two women who have openly come forward are women who were definitely not consenting in any way and were assaulted.
Do you really think that little of women that all they want is to take down the successful male at any cost. What a petty and pathetic world view. The guy just has to say "its all in good fun" and you believe that over 8 women who never knew each other and all have very similar stories. These women are clear it WAS NOT consensual they are all stating that and its pretty clear to anyone why they didn't come forward against a popular radio host. People like you saying they wanted it or are just after money despite all of the facts pointing out how wrong you are. Please educate yourself about this case before you give an ignorant opinion. False reporting rape and abuse is 3-5% yet you would believe that its a 3% and assume they are false reporting. It couldn't possibly that a successful man is a serial abuser. Just look at Jimmy Saville and BBC. If you can't figure out why someone might be too embarrassed and shammed to go tell the police and have their entire lives ripped apart and be questioned about things like 'what were you wearing' and other ******** that has nothing to do with the fact that someone attacked them without consent. A lot of rape and abuse goes unreported because of exactly how people like yourself assume the worst of any women despite the facts blowing your opinion away.
Jian Gomeshi is a creep and an abuser. 8 women now have come forward and none of them have anything to gain from this. Reporting rape doesn't give you fame it gets you harassed by ********. There is no money and if you truly believe 8 women who have successful careers are just Jealous I can't help that level of disfunctional thought.
Agree!
and this was posted on another forum that addresses the reasons of why some people do not leave the situation or do not report abuse immediately.
It's 9 women now. And two of the ones that actually came forward publicly, one was a lawyer, and the other is an actress (so she had her own fame so pretty sure she wasn't looking for this kind of fame) and is now a captain in the Royal Canadian Air Force.
So please all of you think these women are looking for fame, give your head a shake. the only thing that has changed is that now they realize they are not alone in their experience and people are listening
Princess's Man
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Princess's Man says: This is incorrect. Evidence to "slut shame" a victim (sexual history, provocative dress, etc) is not admissible in court. With that said, though, Princess's Man agrees with your statement that the legal system is very difficult for victims.
We are voting the rule is no shirt no service! Also no crocs...ever....don't wear crocs ..
AL3RT
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As an FYI, the absence of resistance, physically or verbally, makes this very consensual.
Not the money/fame/jealousy thing? Well, perhaps, shecouldn't live with the fact that he stopped bonning her then?
Remember, she had a nerve to accept his invitation and flyout of her province to visit him at his house after flirting with him at thatbook signing event. What was she expecting? A job interview?
Let me repeat
The Supreme Court has said that consent that is given only in advance isn’t determinative – consent is an ongoing process and a person must be in a state of consciousness to be able to withdraw that consent at any time. What happened WAS NOT CONSENSUAL
Also when it comes to BDSM (as Jian claims it was) the law doesn’t actually care about consent. The Supreme Court has said that a person cannot consent to an assault that causes bodily harm.
Oh yeah, I'm sure she flew out to see him fully knowing she was going to be punched, slapped, choked
your comment was so f'n ignorant it hurt my eyes to even read it.
You obviously don't understand consent or how it works.
Are you really suggesting these now 9 women are all just jealous of a Jian's magic dick? You can't be that ignorant can you?
Again you don't understand consent. Flirting with someone and coming to visit them is not an invitation for abuse. Did you really just right "What was she expecting" as an implication that visiting someone is consent to anything other than what the personal want to allow. Please educate yourself on how consent works in Canada before you end up raping someone thinking that being flirty is consenting to be beaten and rapped.
You sir are an example rape culture in fine form. disgraceful. Keep digging your hole.
Is it just women you think so little of or do you think Fleury must have 'wanted it' from Graham James? Did the alter boys just want more fame/attention from the priests? Must have been the money then right? Would you apply any of the other ignorant reasonings to these other cases of abuse and rape? Why only women? please think long and hard about your view of women.
Even the BDSM community is saying what he did is assault, not BDSM.
The problem with everything that is currently hitting the news is that it needs to be said to police, privately, rather than widely broadcast. This is because putting all of the details out there makes it more difficult to prove, in a court of law, that he did these things. It contaminates possible evidence and people who do that sort of thing need to be hammered by the law and the courts, so that they are no longer free to abuse new victims.
The problem with everything that is currently hitting the news is that it needs to be said to police, privately, rather than widely broadcast. This is because putting all of the details out there makes it more difficult to prove, in a court of law, that he did these things. It contaminates possible evidence and people who do that sort of thing need to be hammered by the law and the courts, so that they are no longer free to abuse new victims.
Scob
Well-known member
Indeed!
This brings up a very good and greater issue and that is how police deal with rape cases and cases of assault. A large portion of victims don't go to police for various reasons all of them valid especially in cases where someone is famous. The good thing to come out of all this is that people are talking about sexual violence toward women and discussing the obstacles victims face.
Even within the scene you always discuss boundaries before and some people may want some bruising or perhaps even bite marks. The supreme courts puts BDSM practicers in a weird position with this ruling but its difficult to make laws to fit all sex acts in i suppose.
Its considered impolite to force anyone into it. If you are dating someone from outside of the scene you are supost to broach the subject first not just up and slap them and claim "its my fetish". This is a black eye for the BDSM community that is already grossly misunderstood.
It's a difficult situation all around, made no less so by the person's (relative) fame. If it's ever going to stop, though, it requires prosecution.
