But you don't have any evidence that she did give consent either
But thats not evidence of consent. There is a legal president for that... coercion takes many forms other than physical restraint
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But you don't have any evidence that she did give consent either
But thats not evidence of consent. There is a legal president for that... coercion takes many forms other than physical restraint
Funny thing; sometimes vindictive people are vindictive because they've been done wrong. Sometimes people aren't actually vindictive, but are only looking for justice delayed.
Another funny thing; Rob Ford broke multiple criminal code sections, Provincial Offences Act sections, HTA sections, and bylaws. He even blamed some of his Criminal Code infractions on the fallout from his breaking of other Criminal Code and Provincial Offences Act sections. It wasn't exactly a witch hunt.
My main problem with the whole thing is that evidence like the Teddy Bear thing, that could have been used to compare various stories in order to better determine the veracity of the reports to police, were made public.
Sativa Quemador
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lets make it simple.
he say there was consent, she says no.
now, we have not seen this video, so unless you see her asking to stop
( which i doubt, if that was the case JG would never show it )
unless you see her being forced to stay
( which i doubt, same reason )
unless you see her calling for help
( which i doubt ....etc )
so, her just BEING in the video is consent. dont you think ?
also remeber JG doesnt have to prove himself innocent. You have to prove guilt.
and thus far, i have yet to see any of that.
any accusation that has been made public hasnt proven anything, and could be buried in doubt.
im not a fan of his, and if he truly beats women ( not bdsm session ) he should be in jail.
but i dont think this is the case.
msatrakkoic
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this is maybe for another thread, but public accusation can be worse than being found innocent.. so why should accusers be allowed to hide behind it ?
i know that its good for underage people, and for protection, but what protection is req'd here ?[/QUOTE]
If accusations are false, and proven false, theyll get a mischief charge... While the accused reputation is forever tarnished
And as far as i know for charges to be laid a formal complaint has to be made, which means no anonymity
No and there is plenty of legal president to support this. Women staying in abusive relationships or not fighting back in rape cases is not Consent to the act
Actually no the bar is much lower you don't prove your self innocent only not guilty. In a legal setting. I don't have to prove anything i'm not the prosecution
We will have to wait for the case to be brought to see what evidence is presented. I'm not taking a position either way as i don't have enough information.
The exact opposite of what you have done by using you poorly conceived ideas of how all women are vindictive. You have already decided that these women have some motivation to accuse a man of sexualized assault.
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Sativa Quemador
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just to be clear, im not defending this man.
from what ive read, he seems to be a dickhead, but thats not a crime.
JG could have been anyone, and i would still think the same thing.
from what ive read, he seems to be a dickhead, but thats not a crime.
JG could have been anyone, and i would still think the same thing.
Sativa Quemador
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yes, you have.
at least it looks that way with your opinion. maybe im wrong?
lets find out...as it stands right now, i say innocent.
No i havn't if you read my posts i have spoke only about how consent works and why women don't always report it. I havn't made anything about if he did it or not as i don't have enough info to make a judgement.
You kinda of are since you basically said that these 9 women are Vindictive. You made snap judgements on their character and motivations.
Sativa Quemador
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yes, i have said women are vindictive.
i dont know what they've told the police, so i dont know if they lied.
all this comes down to is " feelings " and we all know how women are in that dept.
do they feel they were assaulted ? if so, why wait so long ?
did someone have to talk them into being convinced they were assaulted ?
i think anyone getting into a sexual thing with JG knew ahead of time what was going to happen and decided to try for themselves.
i dont know what they've told the police, so i dont know if they lied.
all this comes down to is " feelings " and we all know how women are in that dept.
do they feel they were assaulted ? if so, why wait so long ?
did someone have to talk them into being convinced they were assaulted ?
i think anyone getting into a sexual thing with JG knew ahead of time what was going to happen and decided to try for themselves.
Again there is a variety of reason people don't report it. Just google why dont women report assault. Its even been said in this thread.
Sativa Quemador
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there is NO way of figuring out if it was consent.
he says yes, she says no. it was only 2 people
each one crosses each other off, so lets not even think about consent anymore
now we go to other evidence.
there is a video out there that shows stuff. no-one knows whats on there.
i havesnt heard or seen dr.notes/pics or anything
So unless you see the victim either asking to stop, trying to get away or something of that nature ( obviously from a video you can tell if someone is being held against their will )
unless the video shows that, then i will say they were there of their own accord.
he says yes, she says no. it was only 2 people
each one crosses each other off, so lets not even think about consent anymore
now we go to other evidence.
there is a video out there that shows stuff. no-one knows whats on there.
i havesnt heard or seen dr.notes/pics or anything
So unless you see the victim either asking to stop, trying to get away or something of that nature ( obviously from a video you can tell if someone is being held against their will )
unless the video shows that, then i will say they were there of their own accord.
Pretty sad that you require video evidence screaming NO or sexual assault didn't happen.
I think something along the lines of:
All women are evil, conniving whoooores and we can't trust them. They have "feelings" and feelings are the devil inside telling them to cheat, lie, and be generally evil human beings. We should lock them all up in cages and only release them when we wish to have sex with them.
...or at least that's the gist of what I'm getting reading his posts.
Sativa Quemador
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it was their own descision to be there, and if they were uncomfortable, they should have left.
who started this story and why ? it was a journalist, yes ?
who talked first, and why. these are the questions.
also theres a WAY bigger story out there ... If the school KNEW he assaulted women, why did they not protect their students ?
wheres the memo that says Stay away from Q that must be seen.
did the CBC know this was a problem ?
is it covered under rights of an employee/employer ?
becasue then it would prove that theres a problem.
but at the base of it, its all consent, and thats impossible to prove
so you have to look at other avenues...
and other evidence just cements the stories that JG has admitted to.
the only other person that was a witness is Big Ears Teddy.
and from what we've been told, he didnt see anything either.
Sativa Quemador
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women can be the most meanest thing on earth.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
ANYONE who has ever been in a relationship, or saw one that went sour can tell you this....lol
guys let **** go, women wont until death.
i dont hate chicks, I love them. I just dont trust them all.
if anyone will stick a knife in your back, its a chick.lol
but this has nothing to do with whats going on here.
and the "feelings" thing.
maybe you are just too young to have any experience i guess.
wait until chicks turn older on you. you'll see
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Do you believe in reasons? Cause and effect? You may be blind to what women go thru, are subjected to, how they see men.
Well if Mr. Big Ears Teddy was a nanny cam, then he wasn't allowed to "see" the bad stuff happen.
Slim Jim
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your outlook on women is pathetic. Men are more wicked then women, more women have to get restraining orders from ex's, more women are abused or murdered by ex's. You have no idea what a rape victim goes through, the humiliation, the self blame, ect. that is why most don't report it. I think you should educate yourself on the subject before you demonize women. It took the first woman to come forward before all the others realized it wasn't just them. He will be charged and he will be convicted, and you'll still show your ignorance by saying they are lying, that they are just evil. It must be hell inside your head.
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