Generation Jobless

Careers in high tech and finance are overly stressed whereas the trades are under stressed. Also way too many people finish university with liberal arts degrees that have no practical application in the job market. University is good for: a degree in a field that demands new employees like health care, a degree for pure knowledge with no expectation of a related job once graduated. And what's with all the tattoos? I truly believe full sleeve ink and facial piercings limit your job potential and everyone under 35 seems to have a lot of body art. And for eff's sake stop wasting time with tweeting and instagraming
 
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We're pushed into uni/college exactly because it puts students into debt. It's early conditioning and entry into the rat race.
 
Careers in high tech and finance are overly stressed whereas the trades are under stressed. Also way too many people finish university with liberal arts degrees that have no practical application in the job market. University is good for: a degree in a field that demands new employees like health care, a degree for pure knowledge with no expectation of a related job once graduated. And what's with all the tattoos? I truly believe full sleeve ink and facial piercings limit your job potential and everyone under 35 seems to have a lot of body art. And for eff's sake stop wasting time with tweeting and instagraming

All of the above.
Every engineer that I know is employed and those that aren't are unrealistic about their expectations.
Great time to be a plumber or electrician, apart from the usual dr/lawyer/computer professions.

The world needs ditch diggers too.
 
Universities aren't job training centres, they never have been. Thats why trade schools came into existence.

If people went to university thinking its a trade school, well, its a free country and ppl are free to do whatever they wish with their own lives.
 
^ you have to decide early on if you are interested in money or are going to school for love of learning. If you're interested in money than look at: law, finance or health professions.

If you are not interested in money then pursue your love of learning but you better be sure......
 
Universities aren't job training centres, they never have been. Thats why trade schools came into existence.

If people went to university thinking its a trade school, well, its a free country and ppl are free to do whatever they wish with their own lives.

The problem is though, that back in the day (and probably still) if anyone showed they had 1/2 a brain guidance councellors and teachers would push them towards university. I can't remember how many times I was told 'what a waste' when I was thinking about not going to uni.

In the end I got a MSc in Environmental Science, specializing in Remote Sensing and GIS only to find the market very over saturated with graduates when I finished. All I ended up doing in that field was internship after internship that never led to fulltime jobs -- they used interns to save money. Even then, most of the jobs were turning to contract work (6 or 12 month contracts) and I was competing with people with multiple bachelors, masters, some with PhDs, college certificates, etc etc for jobs with zero security.

I wish I had not done those 6 years of uni and instead had gone into an electrical apprenticeship despite what everyone else told me.
 
^ an MSc in Environmental Science should be pretty hot now, no?
 
No idea... 10 years after finishing the masters in a field heavily reliant on computers and my resume for that field isn't so hot anymore.

^ an MSc in Environmental Science should be pretty hot now, no?
 
If you take a look for those trying to get in to trades, it isn't easy. Almost every job lead requires someone that isn't a first year apprentice. And the most likely way to start as an apprentice is through personal connections and those positions don't get publicly advertised. I know because I was there and I did it. I busted *** as general labour with a contractor helping out whatever subcontractors were in doing their respective jobs. I had a few of them comment on how quick I picked things up, and always had good job reviews. I even was eager enough to ask for the opportunity and they never opened up.
I then worked for 2 years with one of the largest propane companies in Canada in a specialized position as a "general labourer". I ended up operating some large pieces of equipment with nothing but on the job training... Pieces of equipment that I should have gone to school to learn to use. And I was very good at it. Me and my immediate boss were a 2 man team and had the best performance of any of the other teams in the province by far. I took an interest to learn a gas fitters position as it related directly to an aspect of the job and I was again, without formal schooling doing a skilled job fitting propane lines, doing fuel conversions, trouble shooting and fixing customers appliances, all because of my aptitude and interest. 2 years, and I was still on a "temporary basis" with the company, no full time benefits, no raise, and they wouldn't give me an official apprenticeship, after 2 years of working 50 hours a week making $14/hr when I should have been easily making $20 considering I was operating expensive machinery in close proximity to customers homes and businesses... If the company trusted my work enough to do that, and that I was capable as a fitter I felt I had more than deserved an apprenticeship. I gave them notice I was signing up for the military and that they had about a month to decide if they were going to give me the position "full time." They didn't come through by the time I got my offer from the military, so I quit as soon as I got off the phone from the recruitment center.

I also had an auto body apprenticeship when I was 19. I got laid off in the summer when work slowed down and that was that. The other shops in town also had done the same.

I grew up on a farm, rebuilt my first engine on my own when I was 14, had jobs doing everything from framing, roofing, factory work etc so I had a very wide base to build from, a hard work ethic and a natural aptitude for trades work and I only managed to become something by joining the military.
I had a girlfriend who spent 4 years in university, graduated and ended up doing the same job she did in high school... She is now in college for a job that I see very little job openings for since there are so many graduates from the course in the last few years.

It's not easy for my generation. I'm not saying opportunities aren't out there, but they sure aren't plentiful, and too many eat up the "university = golden ticket" puke.
 
The problem is though, that back in the day (and probably still) if anyone showed they had 1/2 a brain guidance councellors and teachers would push them towards university. I can't remember how many times I was told 'what a waste' when I was thinking about not going to uni.

In the end I got a MSc in Environmental Science, specializing in Remote Sensing and GIS only to find the market very over saturated with graduates when I finished. All I ended up doing in that field was internship after internship that never led to fulltime jobs -- they used interns to save money. Even then, most of the jobs were turning to contract work (6 or 12 month contracts) and I was competing with people with multiple bachelors, masters, some with PhDs, college certificates, etc etc for jobs with zero security.

I wish I had not done those 6 years of uni and instead had gone into an electrical apprenticeship despite what everyone else told me.

I am not sure what you are saying other than the fact that you blamed guidance councellors and teachers for entering a field before doing your research.

Thats the point of my post really. people are responsible for their own fate. If I invested a bunch of money in something and it went bust, its not the investment's fault, its my fault. School is no different.
 
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I am not sure what you are saying other than the fact that you blamed guidance councellors and teachers for entering a field before doing your research.

Thats the point of my post really. people are responsible for their own fate. If I invested a bunch of money in something and it went bust, its not the investment's fault, its my fault. School is no different.

Not blaming anyone. Just stating how it happened. I was a 17 year old kid who listened to the adults in my life and the university that pushed a hot new field. This was also in the early to mid 90's, so researching fields (especially new fields) was not as easy as now since the internet was in its infancy. So yeah, it was my fault and I regret it -- that's why I said I wished I had gone into an apprenticeship.
 
i didnt go to collage or uni thank god if not id be more broke then i am now , but the younger generation that are trying to start lives cant do it, i got my car salesmen licence and i cant get hired anywhere because everytime they have called me in for an interview in the end they call me saying they decided to take someone with experience , the dealerships around me have hiring ads on kijiji and other places and even thow it stats experience i still try of course and they rather not hire anyone then hire someone without experience( theres a car dealership in cambridge that was hiring for over 2 months and i applied 3 times and everytime they said they refuse to waste there time training someone its easier to hire someone with experience)
 
I teach in an apprenticeship program. We have quite a few students that come to us who have past university education and/or involved in some sort of career change. Many students are also looking to upgrade their skills to either stay competitive or broaden their education/skills.
I strongly believe that the more opportunities you take, the more doors open for you.
 
We just hired 12 first year apprentices. They were recruited right out the pre apprenticeship program in Sheridan college. I started my apprenticeship right after highschool and I think it was a smart move.
 
I regret the time I spent in university based on being stupid enough to believe in the "it will give you a leg up on the job market" drivel. I'm working in a field that has nothing to do with my degree and I see how bleak the job market is. We moved our industry to China, so fewer manufacturing jobs, then we moved a good chunk of our services to India, which led to a huge service job loss, and all those people who can't work in manufacturing and services are competing for what's left, which drives the wages and opportunities down. It's gonna get worse before it gets better and getting better will involve either a MAJOR shift in the way global economy runs or better management of our natural resources in general (unlikely to be done by any of the 3 stooges in our current political climate).

By the way, the government is MAJORLY doctoring the unemployment figures. If you work 5 hours a week, you're "employed". Found that one out when I went to a job help center because I was underemployed. They couldn't help me at all. I'd REALLY like to see the percentage of people who make a living wage for their area of residence.
 
IMO the problem is that the middle of the 1900s was economically stable largely because we didn't look forward far enough. Then we ran out of cheap oil, land, etc. We couldn't keep doing the same things the same ways so technology and ethics changed things for us.

Life was also tough in the 1800s, the 1700s, the 1600s. The baby boomers hit a lucky streak. Sadly too few of them conditioned their children for reality.

The program brought up serious weaknesses in our educational systems. Who elected these clowns that are running the system? Oh, we did.

If we spent as much time beating up our politicians as we did playing with our bikes, boats and toys, we would have a different outcome.

Bread and circuses.
 
I didn't read all the replies in this thread, but I know many people who turn down decent jobs because 'they went to university to make 100,000 a year' -- a lot of people need a reality check, especially when you are just starting in the job market.
 
University or College on its own isn't enough now.....

I went to UofT first, couldn't get a job... then went to college for the easiest education of my life and landed permanent, excellent pay (highest non-managerial role possible) government gig. Why? UofT made me look good on paper, College gave the practical experiences and stupidly awesome references/student placement that I needed to actually have a chance.

When I was looking for a student placement, I said anything government. I was at the Information & Privacy commission for 4 weeks, which is the solid reference I got for this job.

So before when College was preferred over high school and university over college..... you need to have both to really stand out.

My fiance has a master's degree and had job offers coming 2-3 at a time last spring. She found a place she likes, and is just patiently making her way up the corporate ladder.
 
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Additionally -- at least when I was in high-school you were pretty much spoon-fed your education, and many cold just coast and really learn nothing yet still pass (I didn't, but others did). University & college are not technically designed to get you a job when you are done, moreso they are designed to help you figure out 'how to learn for yourself'.

Although I am technically in the same field I went to school for, 99% of what I do I didn't learn in college -- I had to teach/figure out how to do things myself.
 

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