From an Sv650s to Yamaha R1.. too big a jump?

[dragenn]

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I moved from a sv650 to a 600rr. Although l like the 600R, l still miss my sv650. I did upgrade the suspension and tires on the sv, so as they say it MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. Just a note: v-twins ride differently then I4. Your riding skillset will change accordingly. V-twins got more torque, are bottom heavy, and eat corners effortlessly. I4 are mostly top end, and top/mid heavy, and got speed to burn. I found it took more effort to ride my I4 like a v-twin and vice-versa.

As for the r1, dont expect to ride it like a star. It's just wayy too much. You'll in essence be riding it like a 750cc, when you hit maturity. They are rediculous fun though. If you were pushing the sv650 to it limits why not. bigger cc get inspiring after you max out. Nothing wrong with going bigger when you master a CC class. We just get worried when someone says a 600cc doesnt have enough power. They have more power then needed which is a sign that person is still growing and YET to learn how to ride properly. They re just jumping on the Bandwagon. Truthfully when someone can say 250cc-400cc is more then enough for street... THATS A REAL RIDER...

Just Saying...

 

[unL33T]

Truthfully when someone can say 250cc-400cc is more then enough for street... THATS A REAL RIDER...

I agree with what you said there but I can't rider worth ****, lol.

 

[buck]

litre bikes use less gas than some 600's.

.. when the 600's are trying to keep up with the liter bikes! That's when they use more gas.

 

[killerkeith]

Truthfully when someone can say 250cc-400cc is more then enough for street... THATS A REAL RIDER...

Just Saying...

I agree, but lately my nut sack is just getting so f-ing huge I think it needs more cc's to carry them around on.

 

[onecartel]

I went from a GSXR1000 to an SV650S for street riding (numerous 600 SS and 1k SS previously). Both have their merits, but the SV is well suited for my riding (weekday commuting, weekend touring and a track day every few weeks). Obviously 1k power is retardedly fun but the SV (with a GSXR600 front end and ZX10R rear shock) feels more like a hooligan bike well suited for the street than a stout race replica does.

Although my e-balls have shrunk and my 1%r squid street cred is now tarnished, I'm tits in my face happy with my little v-twin standard bike.

But if you're comfortable with the 650, I don't think the R1 is a crazy huge step.

 

[murf]

.. when the 600's are trying to keep up with the liter bikes! That's when they use more gas.

I found my gsxr600 burned more gas than my gsxr1000 in every variety of riding.
My cbr600 was surprisingly good however.

 

[murf]

Cause I am a lazy douch that is about to head to the bar for a beer.

and yet you are here typing

 

[oomis]

Although my e-balls have shrunk and my 1%r squid street cred is now tarnished, I'm tits in my face happy with my little v-twin standard bike.

This thread is full of quoteable quotes.

 

[Low rider]

I'm going to jump in on this one.
I had to ride my wife's SV into work today due to my VTR1000 being down for repairs.
By no means is my VTR anywere close to an R1.

All the way to work I was thinking what a cute little bike the SV is.

So user friendly. With a little guts if you wring it out a bit.
Turns so easily, so controllable. Such an easy bike to ride. I even was thinking about poor guys who to from an SV, to a bigger sport bike like a GSXR 600.
They're in for a big surprise, if they think that the SV is a fast bike.
If you jump to a 600, the power difference is going to be huge. Before you know it, you'll be smoking over 200kph just by breathing on the throttle.
You can reach speeds in third gear that lilttle SV can only see flat out.

It could prove to be dangerous.

But damn. Going from an SV to an R1.

Good luck on the learning curve.

 

[vinehanger]

I'm looking at a 04/05 one. What do you guys mean there is no real need to shift gears. In theory, I understand that you CAN let each gear rev to redline, but in practice, you'd be viewed as fool if you do that. In PRACTICAL riding situation, riders who ride r1 don't shift beyond 2nd gear ?

I find that hard to believe....

On my SV I get into 6th gear on the highway ASAP and just cruise all day. Are you telling me that 6th gear is too tall for 120 km/hr? Does the bike not scream outloud at 2nd gear at 100 kph? If that's the case, I'd understand there is no real need to enter 4/5/6 gears.. but I highly doubt that. R1 riders can chip in...

 

[mmmnaked]

^ its just another one of those dumb arguments made by people who generally don't know what they're talking about

OBVIOUSLY you shift gears on any bike, that's what they're bloody there for. What you don't have to do is downshift like an a-hole just to pass cars on the highway or pick up some speed, like you would on a sewing-machine-600.

Liter bikes are awesome. Way way better for street use than 600s. They rev lower and are thus generally smoother, they make way more power down low where you spend most of your riding time, and they're faster than the space shuttle and you never really get 'used' to the power like you would on a 600. Yeah, you get comfortable with it.. but it's always exhilarating when you let it rip, even after years and years of riding the big bikes.

BTW if you really love the instant power delivery of your SV, I'd press you to look at v-twin literbikes. RC51, Aprilia RSV, Ducatis, KTM RC8 or SuperDuke, etc etc. All that stuff I said above when comparing literbikes to 600s also applies to comparing v-twin liters to inline 4 liters.

v-twin 1000 = the holy grail of awesome

 

[mmmnaked]

Here, take a trip to North Carolina and come back a happy man:

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Or Maryland (brand frickin new! only 9g!!!):

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[vinehanger]

^ its just another one of those dumb arguments made by people who generally don't know what they're talking about

OBVIOUSLY you shift gears on any bike, that's what they're bloody there for. What you don't have to do is downshift like an a-hole just to pass cars on the highway or pick up some speed, like you would on a sewing-machine-600.

Liter bikes are awesome. Way way better for street use than 600s. They rev lower and are thus generally smoother, they make way more power down low where you spend most of your riding time, and they're faster than the space shuttle and you never really get 'used' to the power like you would on a 600. Yeah, you get comfortable with it.. but it's always exhilarating when you let it rip, even after years and years of riding the big bikes.

BTW if you really love the instant power delivery of your SV, I'd press you to look at v-twin literbikes. RC51, Aprilia RSV, Ducatis, KTM RC8 or SuperDuke, etc etc. All that stuff I said above when comparing literbikes to 600s also applies to comparing v-twin liters to inline 4 liters.

v-twin 1000 = the holy grail of awesome

In terms of straight line speed, how do these V Twin litre bikes compare with the inline four litre bikes from Japan (r1, gsxr1000, etc)?

 

[mmmnaked]

In terms of absolute top end they don't compare too well. They run out of steam quicker.

In terms of racing your buddy on a GSXR1000 from a set of lights? Say good-bye....

 

[mmmnaked]

To clarify: they'll still readily get to 280km/h, just not quite as quickly as an inline 4 liter bike. If you wanna be on more even ground you'd want a Ducati 1198 or a KTM RC8R, both of which have larger displacement than their 1000cc I4 competitors.

 

[murf]

In terms of straight line speed, how do these V Twin litre bikes compare with the inline four litre bikes from Japan (r1, gsxr1000, etc)?

which vtwin? The rc51 makes 120 hp, a 1198 makes 145. So the RC51 is comparable to a newer 600......like a zx6 that makes 110hp and weighs 70lbs less. Ofcourse the zx6 handles much better.

 

[mmmnaked]

which vtwin? The rc51 makes 120 hp, a 1198 makes 145. So the RC51 is comparable to a newer 600.....

Oh yeah totally comparable.........other than the extra 30+ ft-lbs of torque lmao

Cmon I know you know better than to make such an asinine comment. The only thing comparable between an RC51 and a ZX6 is the number of wheels.

 

[ZX600]

You will never outgrow a 600, but in case you think you will get a 750. 30hp+ over a 600

R1 is retarded, you truly dont understand until you ride one. You will not be able to ride it the same way as a sv or even a 600. On a 600 you downshift and crank the throttle to pass a car or whatever, you do the same on a r1 the front end points at the sky

Gsxr is 153hp, don't know that many 600 with 123hp.

OP buy whatever it pleases you

 

[murf]

Oh yeah totally comparable.........other than the extra 30+ ft-lbs of torque lmao

Cmon I know you know better than to make such an asinine comment. The only thing comparable between an RC51 and a ZX6 is the number of wheels.

the question was about top end. Hp is all that matters. Even aceleration is quite similar, since 600's are geared much steeper to take advantage of the high redline which multiplies torque. Do you really not know this? Lol

go read this so you can talk more intelligently:

http://m.sportrider.com/performance_numbers/146_motorcycle_performance_numbers/honda.html

the Cbr600rr not only has almost identical top speed and quarter mile times but has faster rollon times than the RC51!!!


RC51 ('05) 7/05 10.44 @ 133.5 4.25 4.44 n/a

RC51 ('00) 10/00, 12/00 10.96 @ 129.38 4.94 5.34 163

CBR600RR ('05) 4/05,12/0. 10.49 @ 133.3 3.59 3.56 n/a
CBR600RR ('06) 7/06 10.571 @ 132.48 3.79 3.77 162.3

Assinine eh?

 

[mmmnaked]

the question was about top end. Hp is all that matters. Even aceleration is quite similar, since 600's are geared much steeper to take advantage of the high redline which multiplies torque. Do you really not know this? Lol

go read this so you can talk more intelligently:

http://m.sportrider.com/performance_numbers/146_motorcycle_performance_numbers/honda.html

the Cbr600rr not only has almost identical top speed and quarter mile times but has faster rollon times than the RC51!!!

RC51 ('00) 10/00, 12/00 10.96 @ 129.38 4.94 5.34 163

CBR600RR ('05) 4/05,12/0. 10.49 @ 133.3 3.59 3.56 n/a
CBR600RR ('06) 7/06 10.571 @ 132.48 3.79 3.77 162.3

Buddy I don't need to read magazines so I can be intelligent. I've owned almost every bike being discussed in this thread. Only an idiot would think a 600rr is comparable to an RC51 in terms of overall power and pull.

You often find yourself riding street with a magazine crew and timing equipment following you around? Lmao what a joke....

The guy wants a liter bike and you post up magazine times comparing a 10 year old RC51 to new 600s?? The numerical differences between all supersports are marginal at best. I can find lap times where 600s are faster than 1000s, does that mean it's a comparable bike? Hell no, you just have to ride them to answer that question yourself.

Keep on bench racing :lol:

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