Why are you even attempting to push a bike to it limits on the street?
1000s make way better and more usable power for street riding. 600s are garbage. I would've skipped that step too had I known this in the older days.
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From an Sv650s to Yamaha R1.. too big a jump?
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Why are you even attempting to push a bike to it limits on the street?
1000s make way better and more usable power for street riding. 600s are garbage. I would've skipped that step too had I known this in the older days.
Absolutely, you should jump to an R1, no issues, only as fast as you want it go. Having said this , I track an
SV and simply love this bike, very much usable power all the time. It does however lack proper suspension components in stock form which may be your dilemma to justify several $$$$ into the SV.
You will miss that little SV though, it doesn't lie to you.
SV and simply love this bike, very much usable power all the time. It does however lack proper suspension components in stock form which may be your dilemma to justify several $$$$ into the SV.
You will miss that little SV though, it doesn't lie to you.
Definitely no problem going from SV650 to R1 if the rider shows appopriate restraint. If it turns your crank, go fo it.
That said, IMHO, any 4-cylinder litre bike is overkill for the street. Redline in second gear is already well into "lose your bike and license right now" territory on any road in the province, so realistically you can't really use the thing. The torque is nice though. My prediction is that you will find it a tad boring because you can't thrash it the way you can the SV. There is a such thing as a bike being *too* good. I have never owned one but I have ridden a ZX10R, and I remember just feeling like the bike was totally out of place in the real world.
The SS 4-cylinder litrebikes are especially ill-suited to the street, because they are tuned so much for a top end torque bias (look at the dyno curves). So yeah, it might have 180 hp but you will never see it, because using 180 hp in first will loop the bike, and in any other gear you are way way way over the speed limit before the hp peak shows up. At least with the twins the redline is lower and you get to shift up through a couple of gears before you are in the retard zone. Same could be said for the "street tuned" fours. Just a lot more fun to ride.
On the other hand, if you are going to the track...that's another story.
That said, IMHO, any 4-cylinder litre bike is overkill for the street. Redline in second gear is already well into "lose your bike and license right now" territory on any road in the province, so realistically you can't really use the thing. The torque is nice though. My prediction is that you will find it a tad boring because you can't thrash it the way you can the SV. There is a such thing as a bike being *too* good. I have never owned one but I have ridden a ZX10R, and I remember just feeling like the bike was totally out of place in the real world.
The SS 4-cylinder litrebikes are especially ill-suited to the street, because they are tuned so much for a top end torque bias (look at the dyno curves). So yeah, it might have 180 hp but you will never see it, because using 180 hp in first will loop the bike, and in any other gear you are way way way over the speed limit before the hp peak shows up. At least with the twins the redline is lower and you get to shift up through a couple of gears before you are in the retard zone. Same could be said for the "street tuned" fours. Just a lot more fun to ride.
On the other hand, if you are going to the track...that's another story.
SweetOnion
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I have thought about making this jump as well, but honestly I don't think there is much point, like others are saying.
Are you into naked bikes at all? Like Monster, Street Triple, CB1000, etc...?
If you're not planning on riding it for a couple years and then turning it into a track bike, I would definitely stay away. That's just me though.
Get the R1 it will be much nicer to ride on the street.
johnnycage
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Hells yeah go for it!
RedDogDarren
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If you like your SV why not just get a cheap SV1000S?
litre bikes use less gas than some 600's.
AGS
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there's your answer - stick with a v twin - even look at a -gulp- DL1000 or a Buell cr1125
This is a fascinating thread. What about a modified SV650? I have seen a few with GSXR front ends and power commanders, rear ohlins, steering jobbies bla bla bla etc. They any good for a power increase or is the 1k or 600SS still the way to go? Because what I have learned so far is the V-twin tends to be a torque monster vs. the four cylinder.
Only asking because it was brought up that some components on the stock SV650 were crap.
Only asking because it was brought up that some components on the stock SV650 were crap.
why don't you go look at some dyno curves so you can see which bikes are torque monsters for yourself?
Cause I am a lazy douch that is about to head to the bar for a beer.
DucatiDan
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You probably shouldn't make this decision based on the opinions of strangers on an Internet forum. Your best bet would probably be to wait for spring & try to get some demo days in. There's no way for you to feel the differences without actually experiencing it for yourself. There are a lot of fundamental differences between twin engine bikes & inline fours and there are also huge differences between the performance of a 650cc bike compared to a litre bike. When & how the power/torque is delivered is very different. I say buy the R1, keep the SV650 & pick up a 600 too, just in case. That way you'll have all of your bases coved.
For a SS bike I have always preferred and agreed with motorcycle magazines in that the 750cc's are the best all around street sport bikes. They have enough torque to do roll-on passes on the 401. Power wheelies in 1st gear and get good gas mileage. I once road a GSXR750 to New Brunswick and back and got a best of 62 mpg. Something like 360/370 km's to a tank (memory).
A SS 1,000 is not a lot of fun on the street because you really never need to shift. And they are so freakin' quick. One quick burst in 1st gear and you could loses your licence for racing, anywhere, any road in Canada. They can ramp onto the 401 and do 1st gear, 2nd gear then 6th and be passing the traffic already without reving it up. On a CBR1000RR which has about the best low and mid-range of the 1,000's at 4500 - 5500 rpm one can power wheelie in 1st and 2nd gear to any desired height. 3rd gear can lift the front end if using the revs when passing (no clutching). Sounds like fun but one would always be worried about the police and other drivers. They can get to approx 260 kph before one realaizes it. As with most new sportbikes they are so smooth that the speed can be deceptive. Some riders of 1,000 are often worried about spinning out the rear tire on a corner if they try to ride it like a 600. Like all bikes they require your full attention and throttle control. It can be done.
Smaller displacement bikes are more fun on the street because you get to rev them up, shift gears and hear the exhaust without having to 1st exceed the speed limit by 2 or 3 times.
A 1,000's engine might last longer due to not having to work it hard. So it might last for years without any repairs.
A SS 1,000 is not a lot of fun on the street because you really never need to shift. And they are so freakin' quick. One quick burst in 1st gear and you could loses your licence for racing, anywhere, any road in Canada. They can ramp onto the 401 and do 1st gear, 2nd gear then 6th and be passing the traffic already without reving it up. On a CBR1000RR which has about the best low and mid-range of the 1,000's at 4500 - 5500 rpm one can power wheelie in 1st and 2nd gear to any desired height. 3rd gear can lift the front end if using the revs when passing (no clutching). Sounds like fun but one would always be worried about the police and other drivers. They can get to approx 260 kph before one realaizes it. As with most new sportbikes they are so smooth that the speed can be deceptive. Some riders of 1,000 are often worried about spinning out the rear tire on a corner if they try to ride it like a 600. Like all bikes they require your full attention and throttle control. It can be done.
Smaller displacement bikes are more fun on the street because you get to rev them up, shift gears and hear the exhaust without having to 1st exceed the speed limit by 2 or 3 times.
A 1,000's engine might last longer due to not having to work it hard. So it might last for years without any repairs.
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I havent seen anyone ask......what year of R1. There are some big differences. They 01-03's are very torquey, while the 04-08 are more top end. I have an 04 that is geared and ride daily with a pair of 07's. The 03s are much more wheelie prone if you arent careful.
mma01
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Go for the R1.
I'd have to disagree with some of the comments on this post about 1000's being unusable/not fun for the street. There is a time and a place for everything. Ive been riding for 14 years (ticket free) and I still have plenty of fun with my litre bike on the street - and on occasion, I even get to shift gears
As Foggy mentioned, the the older R1's arent peaky. I have an 03 with -1/+2 gearing. It is very strong in the midrange. However, id go with the newer one and just gear it down a bit.
I'd have to disagree with some of the comments on this post about 1000's being unusable/not fun for the street. There is a time and a place for everything. Ive been riding for 14 years (ticket free) and I still have plenty of fun with my litre bike on the street - and on occasion, I even get to shift gears
As Foggy mentioned, the the older R1's arent peaky. I have an 03 with -1/+2 gearing. It is very strong in the midrange. However, id go with the newer one and just gear it down a bit.
Winning.
I've heard this as well. How noticeable is this difference, though; in the context of an average rider using this bike to fart around the city? Is it a very distinct difference, or is it one that you'll only notice after riding them back to back?
mma01
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Farting around, the only real difference that I can feel is the newer gens taller first gear. The difference in power really becomes apparent north of 150 kph.
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