Not nitpicking, both sources come from my tax dollars....if I should have a say in one, why can I not have a say in the other?
Ridiculous argument? Quite! N'est pas?
florida drug testing for people on welfare
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Not nitpicking, both sources come from my tax dollars....if I should have a say in one, why can I not have a say in the other?
Ridiculous argument? Quite! N'est pas?
Exactly...this is just another conservative "idea" that just disenfranchises a certain part of society. Socialism is bad in their eyes. The poor should starve because it's their fault for not becoming rich.
well considering that sometimes a government job is just high paid welfare that the only difference is that you have to show up for.... Speaking from what I witnessed whe my friend and I used to visit her mom at work. Everyone was just goofing off playing games or gabbing.
Throw them in jail at a cost of $100,000 a year instead of $7200 that a single person can get per year (based on the amounts quoted in my previous post on this thread with sources from government website)
daught
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Dunno... maybe sober up and get a job?
I am all for social assistance, but there has to be a point where leeches get smacked in the face with reality.
Are we basing our whole system on what's cheaper? I rather see abusers punished. Also do you really think every abuser will engage in criminal activity?
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Plus it fits in nicely with their puritanical "drugs are bad m/kay?" view of things.
There's a movie coming out that kinda puts it into perspective; http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_house_i_live_in/
if you fail the drug test you have 30 days to get off welfare so it gives me time to figure something out so they cant ***** so much about it not being fair, it should be mandatory that you have to go in to a job search place and spend 8 hours at least once a week looking for a job and someone at the job bank place has to sign off on your hours stating that you were there.
as far as i know the requirement to look for work is there. even on EI which we pay into when working and only can use when laid off (not fired or quit).
when I was unemployed 11 years ago it took me a whole year to find a job, and it wasn't a job i liked, i was over qualified for fast food (yeah right mcdonalds is hiring) and retail but they considered me to be a waste of time because i would likely leave them in favour of a better job. in my job search I had dropped resumes off at almost every store in various malls and applied for every position i would be qualified to do. ei (which I had paid into for the previous 10 years) ran out after 6 months. i was expected to apply for a job 5 times a week... I applied to far more than that. the economic situation isn't any better now, seeing as ei now goes for a year. i suspect the rules are similar for welfare and that there is a requirement for documentation with follow ups done.
despite the help wanted posters out there, there aren't that many jobs available. my girlfriend's uncle had to hire 4 people for a minimum wage position, he had to sift through 500 resumes, i don't know how many interviews he did. we don't just have a problem with unemployment but a problem with underemployment. I have to work 3 jobs (one full time). I'm definitely working more than my parents did at my age.
and what if the person didn't buy drugs, rather a friend shared some of theirs? should they be punished for having a few minutes of enjoyment? have none of you never bought a beer for a friend in need? frankly i don't see the difference between weed and beer besides the legal line drawn in the sand.
daught
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This has nothing to do with drugs "being bad". Drugs are a luxury, an expensive luxury. When times get tough people give up luxuries. Welfare is not enough for people that really need it, and I hate to see system abusers pissing it away. Drugs dont help with motivation either. Many workplaces, especially in the US, require drug testing when applying for a job. Kinda hard to get a job and get off welfare if someone's testing positive at every interview. Maybe some fail it on purpose to stay on welfare. Again there has to be a point where you get smacked in the face if you are lazy and irresponsible.
On the other hand, if someone's on welfare because of a serious disability, they shouldn't have to go for drug testing.
On the other hand, if someone's on welfare because of a serious disability, they shouldn't have to go for drug testing.
It has to do with US "drugs are bad"policy that treats addiction as a crime instead of an illness.
daught
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Testing for drugs would identify addicts and proper treatment could be administered. A drug allowance doesn't help addicts.
Just because you want drugs doesn't mean you are actually addicted to them. My cat told me from its own experience you can quit nasty stuff if you really have to.
Dude, if your cat is talking to you perhaps your hitting the drugs a tad too hard.....
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As it is, I am 80% behind this. If they test for nicotine and alcohol I would be 100% behind this.
Even here they still brainwash kids that drugs are bad and WILL kill you if you do them, all the while their parents smoke and drink.
daught
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At least we're not on welfare.
I've never been drug tested for a job. I could see it for heavy machinery.
Is that what happens? I'd wager they're thrown in jail; it's good for the crime industry.
People don't choose to take drugs at the expense of their essential needs, unless they're addicted.
i got drug tested to get a job delivering drywall
