ya thats what im saying
clearly sarcasm and jokes don't register on your radar
you need to relax a little
florida drug testing for people on welfare
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ya thats what im saying
clearly sarcasm and jokes don't register on your radar
you need to relax a little
PLau
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ya thats what im saying
clearly sarcasm and jokes don't register on your radar
you need to relax a little
For the record, many cops make $47000-$65000 a year depending on the length of "service" which doesn't include sick days, vacation days, and whatnot (yes I know you're being sarcastic Paul).
As for the topic, if people cannot afford drugs, they shouldn't do it. Being poor doesn't lead you to drugs (unless you're selling it), being irresponsible does. There is no reason why we (the taxpayers) should fund people who choose to do drugs and can't afford it. If they are addicted, there are many groups they can join for counselling and gradually make their way back but many choose not to. By giving them more money, it is, in a way, feeding their addiction.
Doing a drug test may cost a lot but it may also cost more by constantly funding someone who is throwing the money away every month.
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I still don't see how humiliating everyone that's fallen on bad times is going to do much except foster more hate for the capitalist system. Welfare payments should be paid, without strings attached, to those that deserve/need/qualify for them. What if any of you that work for provincial government were told how to spend your wages (our tax money)?
If after the welfare payments someone decides to go and spend it on drugs then fine...they made a bad choice...there's no more money...seek help.
Honestly I'm wondering if you lot think being on welfare is some picnic or something?
If after the welfare payments someone decides to go and spend it on drugs then fine...they made a bad choice...there's no more money...seek help.
Honestly I'm wondering if you lot think being on welfare is some picnic or something?
To alot of people it is a picnic, they get on welfare then into welfare houseing and they have no intention on working or looking for a job so all they do is relax and do drugs and drink like fishes and dont give a **** about anything because they know there money is gonna come in at the end of the month, i see people in welfare housing sitting on there front pourch with there neighbours at like 11am already drinking a case of beer. theres times people on welfare have nicer **** then working people because they kno how to work the system, in welfare houseing your not supose to make any big stupid purchases because you cant afford it but if you go to a rent to own place and do monthly payments on all your stuff its ok in welfares eyes because they didnt pay for it in 1 big shot they're doing smaller monthly or weekly payments.
I fully agree with drug testing,
My gf's cousin is on welfare with 4 kids and she has a 4bedroom townhouse in a nice neighbourhood and pays $125/month for rent.
Also she gets her $1,600 cheque every month AND $475 baby bonus cheque per kid. and at the end of every year she gets a huge income tax return.
All in all she is doing better then me monthly and has no intention of working, She sits at home and smokes pot all the time (probably spends a good $300-$500/month on it).
And if she wants a sitter to go do something for the day its subsidized so she only has to pay $2/kid for a full days daycare.
Once they get into the welfare groove they just don't want to get off of it, I would also suggest a sliding scale where every month your cheque goes down as that would force people to get out there and get a job.
Or maybe every month you have to drop off "X" number of resumes.
My gf's cousin is on welfare with 4 kids and she has a 4bedroom townhouse in a nice neighbourhood and pays $125/month for rent.
Also she gets her $1,600 cheque every month AND $475 baby bonus cheque per kid. and at the end of every year she gets a huge income tax return.
All in all she is doing better then me monthly and has no intention of working, She sits at home and smokes pot all the time (probably spends a good $300-$500/month on it).
And if she wants a sitter to go do something for the day its subsidized so she only has to pay $2/kid for a full days daycare.
Once they get into the welfare groove they just don't want to get off of it, I would also suggest a sliding scale where every month your cheque goes down as that would force people to get out there and get a job.
Or maybe every month you have to drop off "X" number of resumes.
Not as long as we're not fostering local industry and services... No tariffs on Chinese imports, companies that outource their services to India keep getting fatter, we have 8% unemployment but are importing migrants (not immigrants) to work at Timmies and in the mines. I don't see any of that getting fixed with a corporate-friendly administration.
Isn't minimum wage around $11/hr? When I started working like 15 years ago I was getting $6.40.
PLau
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$10.25. Gotta consider inflation too though, I started working at $7.25 when I was 14
But damnn, $1600 a month? Thats just as much as I was making at $13/h at 40 hours a week...
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Try to survive and feed your family in any city on 11/hr
PLau
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There are many that use their welfare cheques for its intended purpose, the issue is the people that don't. Many would choose to do drugs rather than feed their family. Why fund them?
I always wonder why some people would rather work 2-3 jobs (80 hours a week) than go on welfare..
If there are few enough of those, implementing a system that cuts off funding to the abusers yields 2 results:
1) Humiliates everyone - including the responsible folk who just fell on some hard times but are trying their best
2) Costs more than it's worth - you get to feed fewer deserving families, thus reducing the effectivenes of the program
Bottom line, the government is employed by us and has to run a CBA on any new program or they aren't doing what we're paying them to do. If the C outweighs the B, it would be irresponsible for them to be wasting our tax dollars.
PLau
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If someone is in dire need of money to depend on the government funding to survive, how would someone spending money that they don't have on drugs vs food and shelter be considered responsible?
Just wonderingif anyone even has any proof that it actually does cost more/less than its worth (If it actually costs more to fund the addition to the program). Isn't this program made to help people get back on their feet? If they have no intention to do so, then why help feed their addiction?
Responsible? How do you define responsible and is it equally applicable to everyone in a legal sense? Say for instance, you might not think its responsible for someone on welfare to have 4 kids....are you going to say that an employed person is also irresponsible for having 4 kids? Is the employed bank trader as irresponsible for buying a line of coke as the person on welfare that does it or is it a little more OK for the trader to do it because he has a high paying job? Your opinion of what's responsible and what's irresponsible is immaterial as long as it's just your opinion....but make it a legal issue and you're now discriminating on the basis of income. I think you'd have a hard time arguing that we should dictate and legislate behaviour to all on the basis of income.
Your analogy is about as flawwed as it gets. Provincial employees exchange their time for money, and have earned it, along with the right to spend it as they see fit. There is no exchange per se with welfare recipients.
My biggest issue with your point is the concept of income. Income earned is something completely different than "income" handed to you for nothing (welfare). I have no issue with people spending their money they earned as they see fit (regardless of how rich or poor they are or if they are a gov employee). I have big issue when someone spends welfare money on anything other than what it is intended for (which IS NOT drugs).
It is not about rich or poor, it is about abuse of the system. Every person on welfare that is abusing the system takes resources away from the truly needed and places a bigger burden on the people who put the effort in to work (even those making min wage). The people abusing the system are the ones hurting the working poor and rich a like.
They are both derived from tax dollars.
How much of a say would you like in how the more disadvantaged spend the money given to them? Perhaps you'd like to be able to make sure none of their cash went on sugary treats for instance? What about cigarettes? What about alcohol? Hell...make it even more miserable for them and make sure it just goes on bread and oats.
Sure there are people that abuse the system...those people deserve to be found and charged. There's plenty of others who through no fault of their own have hit hard times. Do you think it's mostly rich people or poor people that have bad drug problems? Lots of reasons why people have drug problems and trying to escape the miserable world they live in might be one of them. Some of those people need help more than scorn.
:violent1::banghead: one you earn the other is handed to you. Stop nitpicking.
